D&D (2024) D&D Pre-orders; this is sad

[TiQuinn]

someone that has you blocked (or you have blocked), apparently

Didn’t think I said anything that someone else hadn’t said here but whatever.

 

[Chaosmancer]

I've been wondering if you're being disingenuous in your line of questioning.

The question has been answered repeatedly, but your responses amount to "no, these aren't real answers" without explaining what it is you don't understand.

You're either not reading the answers or are deciding that, since you apparently don't like their replies, they don't "count" as answers. (Which really undercuts your self-branding of being a logical person.)

I don't think they are being disingenuous. I think they are (in my opinion correctly) pointing out that "digital pre-order rewards for using DnD Beyond" does not inevitably lead down a slippery slope of "all DnD content is online, all of it is paywalled behind subscription fees, all of it is buggy and terrible and you have to pay for fixes to it on top of your subscription fees, and they will delete the content continuously to force you to buy new content on top of the fixes and subscriptions fees" which is how some of the worst of the Video Game abuses have been seen.

Because, really, it feels sort of like that classic meme:
1) Sell digital products
2) sell pre-order bonuses for those digital products
3) ....
4) Destroy the entire DnD ecosystem and ruin everything.

There is no logical step 3. It is a leap because people saw different industries that work in entirely different ways, with entirely different products, start also selling digital pre-order bonuses.

 

[Belen]

And in 20 years, will you still have that access to that content? With corporate shenanigans, with edition transformations, with, idk, a world where net neutrality is gutted and every website we access outside of the walled garden of our internet provider costs a fee? In a world where you're a teenager in Florida and your state has banned all "woke" content and so WotC can't sell D&D to teens there because it has some gay people in it?

Yes. I purchased the bundle because I back everything up. Of course, you are not guaranteed access to that content either as disaster or other actions could deprive you of it.

I do not want to get into politics; however, what happens if the government mandates that each person is only allotted 800 square feet per person. You would quickly loose the space to keep your physical books. Even with digital content, some companies like Amazon are "updating" books to new formats and changing the content you have read. At least Amazon let's you turn off the auto-update. For now.

You are arguing for a world that does not exist although most people are currently stuck between two warring factions that want to control content.

 

[Umbran]

Mod Not:
Folks,

This thread is far off the rails at this point. If you aren't talking about the pre-orders, maybe find some other thread to post in. Now.

And if you're engaged in head-butting, and calling each other disingenuous, stop, find something better to do with your day than that, please.

 

[Argyle King]

I can't speak for anyone else.

For me, my plan is to buy 3 physical books from a local gaming store.

 

[ECMO3]

If every country followed this model, there would be no intellectual property left for counterfeiters to sell. No one anywhere would be creating intellectual property with any resale value. Case in point, the IP the counterfeiters are using to make money in the example you provide is all IP created in countries with strong IP laws. If there were no countries with strong IP laws, the counterfeiters would have no IP to resell.

Yes the IP is created in countries with strong laws, and then labor in 3rd world countries is exploited to produce those physical goods.

I do not believe games or goods will disappear because we take away magacorporations rights to own that. I think it will move from being developed by megacorporations to be developed by people who care and want that.

Look at Linux. People work on and develop Linux even though no one owns the IP rights to it. It is third in terms of operating systems in use behind Windows and OS and commands a 5% market share.

The people writing code for Linux are enthusiasts and the people who will be writing D&D will be enthusiasts who want to advance the game, not make money off it.

If you end all IP rights for everyone, you aren't targeting mega-corps. You're taking away the only thing protecting individuals and small businesses from predatory mega-corps. Intellectual property is the only arena in which the playing field shared by individuals and massive corporations which control the means of physical production is even remotely level.

I don't believe this is true and no actual evidence indicates it is the case.

Individuals will be empowered because they will be able to leverage the IP owned by others. Megacorporations gather IP either by buying it from individuals (often to prevent competition) or by having their own employees develop it and claiming the rights to it.

 

[ECMO3]

nm

 

[mamba]

Look at Linux. People work on and develop Linux even though no one owns the IP rights to it. It is third in terms of operating systems in use behind Windows and OS and commands a 5% market share.

Linux is developed by professionals that are being paid by companies, not some bunch of hackers in their spare time

Lines of code changed by company
Oracle 12.0%
AMD 11.7%
Google 7.4%
Intel 5.8%

The people writing code for Linux are enthusiasts

no, they predominantly are not, 2.8% of changes were under 'None' for company

 

[Argyle King]

Yes the IP is created in countries with strong laws, and then labor in 3rd world countries is exploited to produce those physical goods.

I do not believe games or goods will disappear because we take away magacorporations rights to own that. I think it will move from being developed by megacorporations to be developed by people who care and want that.

Look at Linux. People work on and develop Linux even though no one owns the IP rights to it. It is third in terms of operating systems in use behind Windows and OS and commands a 5% market share.

The people writing code for Linux are enthusiasts and the people who will be writing D&D will be enthusiasts who want to advance the game, not make money off it.



I don't believe this is true and no actual evidence indicates it is the case.

Individuals will be empowered because they will be able to leverage the IP owned by others. Megacorporations gather IP either by buying it from individuals (often to prevent competition) or by having their own employees develop it and claiming the rights to it.

I think it's a good idea for the community to share content.

Do you have links to your written content?

 

[Parmandur]

Linux is developed by professionals that are being paid by companies, not some bunch of hackers in their spare time

Lines of code changed by company
Oracle 12.0%
AMD 11.7%
Google 7.4%
Intel 5.8%


no, they predominantly are not, 2.8% of changes were under 'None' for company

Don't you try and confuse us with inconvenient "facts"!!!!!1