D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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Mysogeny in the seventies was very widespread. In Germany women could only work with allowance of their husband.
Lets also say that in marriage, men had also certain rights. Looking from today's perspective it was very very bad. It was bad back then, but sadly the norm.
So again, judging people from today's perspective is ill adviced. Pointing it out is totally ok.

So back to topic:
Think of the 10 movies you really enjoyed 30 years ago. Then watch them with your kids. Prepare to explain them why you liked those movies...

Sure, sure, but you are kind of missing the point.

This isn't watching 30 year old movies with your kids.

This is someone writing a documentary on the film industry from 30 years ago, and opening with "and some of this stuff was pretty bad". Then your Cousin goes and gets into a screaming fit and flings eggs at the guy's house for daring to disrespect those peerless artists from 30 years ago. Now your kid is coming to you and asking why your cousin is defending those movies when... they are kind of clearly bad.

Do you just say "Ah well, those documentary film writers were wrong to judge people based on today's standards. I mean, I agreed with all those terrible things in those movies when I was younger, but obviously they are bad NOW." Or do you go "Yeah, your cousin is wrong, those things were wrong, and I wish I had known that then, so I didn't assist in hurting people I didn't want to hurt."

I ALREADY have shows I love that are likely not perfect and have some flaws. But just because those things are old doesn't mean a historian literally paid to write about them should be attacked for pointing out those flaws. And yeah, Riggs wasn't the politest when posting his open letter about those attacks, and his points were not perfectly unassailable... But I would still rather have big names in the space standing up and saying "this is not who we are" than just shrugging and standing by while "our honor" is defended by people who want to deny the past.
 

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That can be true, particularly in more edge cases, for example where people are inferring it from something in a book or film or the like, and where there's ambiguity as to the authorial intent - for example several elements of The Phantom Menace, which really looks kinda racist but did Lucas intend that? (Not suggesting we debate that, just an example).

However in other cases, particularly where the author is clearly about their intent or personal views and those align with the bigoted ones in the work, I would tend to see that as a sort of obfuscatory or delaying taking quite close to sealioning. YMMV of course. Personally I feel EGG's outspoken support for genocide ("nits make lice") would tend to limit the scope for debate.
It is not at all a defense of someone to point out the distinction, but it is not a direct attack on someone's entire personality and work to point out their flaws, either. Which is the error that is getting used to attempt an entire deflection of the issue.

I have seen people claim that Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro "hate D&D" or even "hate Gary Gygax and his work" which I think are obviously and flatly absurd. Nobody dedicates so much energy to documenting and synthesizing something they hate. But not hating something or someone doesn't put it above criticism, and criticism is not an attack.
 

Sure, sure, but you are kind of missing the point.

This isn't watching 30 year old movies with your kids.

This is someone writing a documentary on the film industry from 30 years ago, and opening with "and some of this stuff was pretty bad". Then your Cousin goes and gets into a screaming fit and flings eggs at the guy's house for daring to disrespect those peerless artists from 30 years ago. Now your kid is coming to you and asking why your cousin is defending those movies when... they are kind of clearly bad.

Do you just say "Ah well, those documentary film writers were wrong to judge people based on today's standards. I mean, I agreed with all those terrible things in those movies when I was younger, but obviously they are bad NOW." Or do you go "Yeah, your cousin is wrong, those things were wrong, and I wish I had known that then, so I didn't assist in hurting people I didn't want to hurt."

I ALREADY have shows I love that are likely not perfect and have some flaws. But just because those things are old doesn't mean a historian literally paid to write about them should be attacked for pointing out those flaws. And yeah, Riggs wasn't the politest when posting his open letter about those attacks, and his points were not perfectly unassailable... But I would still rather have big names in the space standing up and saying "this is not who we are" than just shrugging and standing by while "our honor" is defended by people who want to deny the past.
I agree with you. It is just that we need to be careful to not shoot over the target and be precise in what we say.

(as in: saying: "he was a bad person" is different than saying: "he wrote pretty bad things", maybe with added: "from today's point of view")
 

It wasn't okay by the standards of the time. That's precisely why he was upset about getting called out on it at the time. Your Switzerland example does not indicate what you appear to think it does. Quite the contrary - it reflects poorly on Switzerland and its leadership.

My point was that context matters and while something might be frowned upon in one place, there are places where it wouldn't be. Swiss did what they tough was best for them. Who are we to judge is it ok or not ok what other cultures and countries do internally?

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Not talking about Talibans. There are dozens of countries with values and cultures different than western ones.

I'm not trying to defend BS Gygax spewed in his writings, just trying to say that what is offensive to some, may not be offensive to others and what is generally offensive is highly subjective and relative. But, he had every right under US constitution to spew them. And every one of us has every right to not buy or use any of his work because we don't like things he wrote/said.
 

All I will say is all Ben has done is sow diversion and resentments everyone and the only person who benifits is Ben himself. I will will never touch a product he is apart of after this. Maybe Gygax was sexist, maybe he wasn't, dudes dead and can't defend himself and provoking a whole ugly scene over it did no one any good, except Ben gets a ton of free marketing. It's clear he did this on purpose. Women get sent the message the founder says they are unwelcome and feel accordingly, Gygax supporters feel he's slandered and feel unwelcome as well.
I think you're confused about what happened here. Let me explain:

1) WotC released a history book in which the foreword mentions certain issues.
2) People on the internet attacked the authors, calling them liars and accusing them of slander.
3) Ben Riggs defended the authors, showing that they were not liars or slanderers.

And your problem with this sequence of events is #3 rather than #2?

I'm getting too old for this s*** so that is all I have to say about it. Please don't reply to this comment, I wish to be dragged no further into this bog of eternal raged filled stench.
That's not how conversation works. You don't get to make a provocative post and then demand that nobody reply to it.
 

Re: Tiamat and the gygaxian female villains:

As it has been said a few times on this discussion, I don't think it's a problem per se, but I think the accompanying comment about Women's Lib make it very suspicious, at least.

But in my personal experience as a woman and a dungeon master, the gygaxian female villains can be very fun to play with, specially the drow. The whole dominatrix-cracy thing is so over the top that while the original intentions probably had a lot of misogynistic views embedded in it, it's not hard to use it in a way where everybody gets a good laugh (considering I'm usually playing with other women and we're all friends). I think it's some sort of power fantasy, like the Frazetta's muscular barbarians supposedly are for men? After all, the systemic domination of men by women is as fantasy as the elves are.
 
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Not talking about Talibans. There are dozens of countries with values and cultures different than western ones.
I know, there are a lot of other ass-backwards fundamentalist regimes. That does not make your case any better. It still is inherently the same argument, I just went to a slightly more extreme case for emphasis.

Ask the women and other minorities under those regimes whether they like it. Just because they can be terrorized into submission does not mean that they are popular. People fundamentally want similar things everywhere
 

Re: Tiamat and the gygaxian female villains:

As it has been said a few times on this discussion, I don't think it's a problem per se, but I think the accompanying comment about Women's Lib make it very suspicious, at least.
Speaking also as a woman and a dungeon master, I actually feel like the "women's lib" line is pretty mild and the article is going out of its way to put the most negative possible spin on it. They assume it's saying "We made our evil dragon a goddess because we think women with power are inherently twisted," but it's equally possible they just meant "We decided to make our evil dragon a goddess for no particular reason, and if that offends militant political types, we don't care."

But then, Tiamat is badass!
 

but it's equally possible they just meant "We decided to make our evil dragon a goddess for no particular reason, and if that offends militant political types, we don't care."
My view is this is the "suspicious" interpretation. Going out of their way to say "we don't care if we offended you" is weird and can set the tone of how people read it. In a vacuum I would say it's mild, but it's not the only time we saw EGG saying that kind of stuff, or worse.

Edit: And I agree Tiamat is badass even if you interpret it as a "women in power are evil" allegory, because this message can easily be overrided.
 

Again, the book was about history. Examining the less savory aspects of the past is half the point (the other half being to examine the more savory aspects).

True enough. But choosing to include it in the rules books, in the manner in which it is presented was a conscious decision.

Right, because the game reflects those sources, and the product was targeted at those that would (or did) enjoy those sources.

I get the "Pro-Gygaxian" outrage. Setting aside for a moment the arguments surrounding presentism, you have to decide to what degree you are going to assert pronouncements into a work, and that is especially true of works that present themselves as history. There's a point where a historical work can tip right over into being a political work as a result.

I read Ben Rigg's book and enjoyed it. He's definitely 'there' in the narrative but he was also careful to maintain a historical tone and approach, and negative overtones were not that noticeable.
 

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