D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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Kent David Kelly / Darkseraphim here, hello everyone!

I saw that I was mentioned here, so I thought it would be polite to respond. For the record, I personally dislike Ben Riggs, so please keep that in mind if it would affect your opinion of my expression.

This discussion is rather interesting.

It does make me wonder:

If you can forgive a person for their flaws, there is no reason to disparage their memory when they can no longer defend themselves.

If you reduce a person down to their flaws, you are going to judge them and find them wanting.

(Hopefully, if you are making the discussion about their flaws and not your own, you yourself are pure and beyond such judgment, but that is a discussion for elsewhere.)

If you can separate a person from their art, and your issues are with Gary Gygax, then your issues are not with Dungeons & Dragons.

If you cannot separate a person from their art, then why are you buying and playing Dungeons & Dragons?

I personally fail to see how disliking aspects of Gary Gygax would be synonymous with calling out people who are thankful that Gygax’s and Arneson’s memories live on in the game that we all play.

Life is short, and vilification is vast.

Lambasting the dead seems grandiose and petty to me. But that is just me. If you find joy in those actions, as well as in playing the game, please continue.

We are all gamers celebrating Dungeons & Dragons in our own ways.

You may not like my way, and I may not be thrilled with your way. But we only have a conflict when you attempt to take what I hold dear away from me. I believe, in a reversed situation, that many of you would feel the same.

I hope you all continue to love Dungeons & Dragons and to play it, however imperfect its many contributors may be. If you cannot separate the game from those who craft it, hopefully you can find something else, elsewhere, that meets your standards and brings you peace.

Have fun everyone!

The book in question, The Making of Original Dungeons and Dragons 1970 - 1977 reprints in its entirety many, many of Gygax's notes. How do you propose you separate Gygax from his own notes and words? I don't see a way to do that that is honest and respectful.

Nor do I think it is honest and respectful to only speak of the good, while printing the good and the bad. Nor do I think it is good for the health of the community to HIDE the bad by not printing it. Would you have preferred Gygax's writings not be preserved as part of the history of the game? Would you have preferred he fade in obscurity and no one remember the great work he did? I wouldn't. But, as part of becoming a cultural touchstone, as part of remembering the greatness of his legacy, the only honest thing to do is to also remember his flaws.

But it is deeply disturbing to me that, in remembering and acknowledging his flaws, we seem to anger people who want to lash out at us, to claim that we are trying to reduce him to only his flaws, and that we must not judge lest we be judged. Feel free to judge me with the same scrutiny I give Gygax. Feel free to post in the history books after my death of my flaws, as long as I also can touch millions of lives and alter the course of the world forever.
 

Yeah, but that's basically the definition of "nitpicking": you're removing something from the whole to show it's weakness on its own when it was presented and meant to be shown in conjunction with something else. Yes, it would be a little weaker on its own, but it's not on its own nor is it meant to be....







No, but you seem to really distort everything @Charlaquin says on the topic which... feels telling, I suppose.

I addressed both the piece and the viewpoint as a whole; as the conversation is about how an individual overlaps (or doesn't) with a multifaceted body of work produced in part by said individual, I surmise that some level of nuance has merit.

In addition, I posit that leading with a weak example possibly hinders perceived legitimacy of later (more-valid) points rather than strengthening them.

Thirdly, as my own previous comments concerned the potential to be oppressive to one's own joy and having a preconceived prejudicial position from which to consume a medium, I believe that some scrutiny of the provided "evidence" and exploration of what might be a tinted point of view to be valid.
 

But people are insisting on getting furious about it. Like... we all knew Gygax wasn't a moral paragon, even without that stuff, there are records about his time in Hollywood and what he did there. We've known this stuff. It should have barely been news.
People should save their freakouts for when we get copious records of his Hollywood days.
 
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Isn't Riggs's book being sold by WotC? Or did I totally miss something?
This isnt a book written by Riggs we're taliing here. The book is written by Peterson.

The whole thing isnt about Gygax being sexist in 1975. It is about a group of "fans" in 2024 attacking the authors for stating he held those beliefs back then.

Even with proof in hand, saying the founder had vile opinions on some subjects is met with calls of "liars" and "treason"!

Worse, part of those fans use the current situation to crawl out of their nasty basement to throw their lot with Gygax's 1975 opinions, now, in 2024!
 

Please stop your false personal attacks.

You first, bud! ;)

I addressed both the piece and the viewpoint as a whole; as the conversation is about how an individual overlaps (or doesn't) with a multifaceted body of work produced in part by said individual, I surmise that some level of nuance has merit.

I think there are a lot of things both in the piece and stuff that has been posted in this thread by other users which makes things less "multifaceted" and more obvious.

In addition, I posit that leading with a weak example possibly hinders perceived legitimacy of later (more-valid) points rather than strengthening them.

A weaker example does not hinder anything if it is supported by other things. In this case, he is taking what looks like a weaker example and adds context which makes it much stronger. This is concern-trolling: worrying about how something looks decontextualized from the rest of the piece misses what is actually being said.

Thirdly, as my own previous comments concerned the potential to be oppressive to one's own joy and having a preconceived prejudicial position from which to consume a medium, I believe that some scrutiny of the provided "evidence" and exploration of what might be a tinted point of view to be valid.

I think there's a difference between scrutiny and trying to pick nits with things through decontextualization from the whole. Again, you're really big on focusing on #3 while really loving to ignore #2.

Isn't Riggs's book being sold by WotC? Or did I totally miss something?

Bud, I think you walked into the debate rather misinformed. Riggs' thread (on Twitter) is in response to the backlash against a book by two authors on the history of D&D as a game, which happens to mention Gary's sexism. Riggs didn't suddenly decide to make this thread, it's a reaction to people whinging online about people bringing up Gary's shortcomings in a historical book.
 


I can see an argument that the specific example of Tiamat is weak evidence. Sure, that's a fair point. However. a single bad point in a largely true post and backed up by further objectively true things... does not render the author's larger point moot.

If I had to make a guess? Riggs mentioned Tiamat because the History book mentions Tiamat, because they saw that connection and quite possibly in the writings and original records of Gygax they recorded, there might have been worse and more obvious examples of Tiamat's inclusion being sexist in origin. So, the original authors felt the need to call out that famous, high profile example, because they knew it was something that was going to get noticed as they printed Gygax's original notes.

None of which, still, erases the larger points. Nor are they a "judgement" upon Gygax.

I think that's fair.

And I agree that it does not render the larger point moot.

Gygax himself claimed to have sexist views. I don't see any reason to not believe his own words regarding that matter.

At the same time (and despite personally never meeting the man,) I think it's a fair assessment to say that he wasn't such a hard-core sexist that he was incapable of writing something without making artistic decisions based upon other things.
 


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