D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Bard"

[Stalker0]

Yep was just coming to say this. Level 10 and up when a Bard gets spells, they can pick from the Bard Spell List, the Wizard Spell list, the Cleric Spell list AND the Druid Spell list. Treantmonk noted that Bard's might have access to ALL 9th level spells in the game with this.

This is kind of huge? But also not?

If bards still prepare spells as they have, its a wonderful benefit, but still somewhat limited in scope.

If they now have clerical like spell prepared....they just DESTROYED wizard in terms of spell versatility, like so utterly the wizard is smote upon the mountainscape, so I can't imagine they went that route.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

It’s always been a solid feature that people are blowing out of proportion. Glad Treant understands that and hopefully people start taking his view into consideration. I suspect when people like Chris and Colby (D4) start showing builds and numbers people will calm down about the whole thing.

I was so happy about his videos that I decided to subscribe to his patreon account.
A few years ago I was not too much of a fan of his videos, but in the last few years he proved to be a very reasonable person. He was not jumping on the OGL train immediately, he was always very positive in his analyses of the UA and always tried to understand the reasonings behind changes instead of just raging like others.
He also favors nerfs if nerfs are reasonable.

 

[mellored]

So bard spell list only up to level 5?

Have to see the final wording.

But you could take any spell.
And slowly retain your lower level ones.

Don't think that's enough to fully swap away from bard, but you could probably end up half bard, half other.

 

[LaTia J]

Bardicle! https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1768-2024-bard-vs-2014-bard-whats-new

 

[UngeheuerLich]

If bards still prepare spells as they have, its a wonderful benefit, but still somewhat limited in scope.

If they now have clerical like spell prepared....they just DESTROYED wizard in terms of spell versatility, like so utterly the wizard is smote upon the mountainscape, so I can't imagine they went that route.

They won't have clerical spell preparation. 100%.

Edit: and I hate that they removed song of rest... I hope there is some reasoning behind it.

 

[Yaarel]

If bards still prepare spells as they have, its a wonderful benefit, but still somewhat limited in scope.

If they now have clerical like spell prepared....they just DESTROYED wizard in terms of spell versatility, like so utterly the wizard is smote upon the mountainscape, so I can't imagine they went that route.

The spell access balances, because the Bard only has the prepared spells, swapping spells is infrequent, and choosing any situational spells that are only occasionally useful is unwise.

 

[Remathilis]

If bards still prepare spells as they have, its a wonderful benefit, but still somewhat limited in scope.

If they now have clerical like spell prepared....they just DESTROYED wizard in terms of spell versatility, like so utterly the wizard is smote upon the mountainscape, so I can't imagine they went that route.

Per the bardicle:

Magical Secrets now lets you select spells from the Cleric, Druid, or Wizard spell list every time you can add to your Prepared Spell list, and have them count as Bard spells.

Add implies you don't get freely to swap them.

 

[mellored]

From the article

This means that from Bard levels 10 through 20, you can choose spells from four different classes. Plus, when you replace a Bard spell from your Prepared Spell list, you can replace it with a spell from the other classes’ spell list.

 

[Undrave]

Bards no longer have access to paladin, rangers, warlock, and ranger spells list.

NO SWIFT QUIVER FOR YOU!

They could keep some of those for other subclasses!

 

[OB1]

Per the bardicle:

Magical Secrets now lets you select spells from the Cleric, Druid, or Wizard spell list every time you can add to your Prepared Spell list, and have them count as Bard spells.

Add implies you don't get freely to swap them.

So at level 20 any bard could have 14 spells from other lists (11 from swaps, 4 from new prepared slots) and a Lore Bard could have 16 (assuming they still get two extra prepared slots with their feature).