D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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Back then the majority of players were straight men. Things have changed in 50 years, the player base has grown in numbers and diversity, so we can easily (and should) update the table for medieval sex workers encountered. Updating tables for more options is fun, whether it be for magical items, wild magic complications, trinkets founds or a harlot's table.
I recently created one for my tastes for the Reincarnation spell specific to FR, using the FR wiki for guidance as I'm no expert on FR.

I think we pretty much all know it was almost exclusively (but not entirely) just straight guys back then. That's what Gary was aiming for, no doubt. Because "girls can't enjoy RPGs."

Personally though, I would ditch the medieval prostitution table idea altogether rather than update it. Because if you're talking about actual historical prostitution, it's not something I'd really want to touch. Or see in a game. Ever. And if you're only presenting the glamourized pop media concept of prostitution, you're still potentially limiting the age of your market too. That's a whole different discussion though.
 
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Did you do history st University?

It was basically hammered into us to remember tgat historical sources were written in a different time.

And then later people goes along and inject their own opinions into it often twisting what was written an the context it was written.

I am aware of academic rigor.

Gary wrote what he did and it was sexist then and now. Reason he didn't get much push back on it was a combination of the tine frame and where he wrote it. Not many people saw it the ones that did were either fine with it or wouldn't think to much of it. He probably didn't get much pushback because it was the 1970s. He probably had those opinions due to his formative years in the 1940s and how he was raised. Parents were JWs apparently. He us your stereotypical OK boomer (not a boomer but still).

I agree with the bold. I don't care why Gygax did or did not get pushback in his time. I don't care how many people saw his writing. I don't care if they were fine with it or not. I don't care if his opinions were because of how he was raised. I don't care that he was old, just like I don't care that my grandfather is old.

He wrote what he wrote. It was sexist then. It is sexist now. That is the entire conversation.

What we don't have is any data indicating how many people thought that way specifically. We do gave data ondicat8ng the liberals around that tine were routed including the popular vote. So his views while problematic today van then we're only problematic to certain people. We can't give exact numbersas we lack that data. It was more tgan 0% less than 100.

I don't care how many people thought that way. Do you think that if you could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that ten million people were sexist, that they would stop being sexist?

He wrote what he wrote. It was sexist then. It is sexist now. That is the entire conversation.

I'll use another example n classic. Slavery was a moral quandary fro thongs lije philosophers. Some did argue it was immoral it still took centuries for it to be more or less abolished. It did not trickle down to thehoi polloi. But we have less than 1% surrviving literature and no one recorded what the Hoi poloi thought.

It's not exactly controversial to look at the events of the 1960s which would gave been very recent. National guard was shooting University students, political assassination etc. A very large chunk of the country disagreed. Who's right or wrong doesn't really matter I'm not making a moral argument.

It shouldn't be to controversial though to say his upbringing and environment in his formative years influenced his world view and that his world view was more accepted in 1970 vs 2024.

My Father was raised by a pedophile. My father is a terrible person. Him being raised by a pedophile might might explain why he is a terrible person, but he is still a terrible person. It is possible that if he was not raised by a pedophile, that he might not be a terrible person. However, I have no inclination or drive to forgive my Father for what he chose to do, just because in a hypothetical other world he might have chosen to act differently.

Why would I treat Gygax better than I treat my own Father?

Make an RPG with elements of of that in it eg the random harlots table. Biggest RPG ever until post 2015-17 also says a lot so draw your own conclusions.

Ford revolutionized the world with the Model T. He was also a pretty terrible person. Thomas Edison helped push electricity and lighting across the entire country. He was also a terrible person.

Gygax was a sexist. He wrote sexist things into D&D. That D&D has grown beyond that is wonderful. It also doesn't change the fact that Gygax was a sexist. He wrote what he wrote. It was sexist then. It is sexist now. That is the entire conversation.
 

Just intellectually dishonest to take history without context and suggest it was so bad that it was not partially a product of different norms.

Of course he was a product of different norms. The man in a foreign country who beats his daughter so hard she ends up hospitalized is also a product of different norms. Does that make his actions okay? No, of course not. Hospitalizing your own child is never okay. Does it make us intellectually dishonest to say that his actions are not okay, because we didn't first couch that statement in a full dissertation on the cultural norms he was raised in that allowed him to believe that he was justified in beating his own child nearly to death? I certainly hope not. I certainly hope I can call that action despicable and wrong without having to first acknowledge that the man essentially had little agency in his own choices and actions, and was merely the byproduct of cultural machines that are larger than any one person.
 

Actually, before even the "fans" got involved, no less than an authority than Rob Kuntz decided to call the historians in question liars for daring to... republish Gygax's own misogynistic words verbatim.

Yeah, I’ve noticed even around here that Kuntz is likely to “circle the wagons” to defend the Great and Powerful Gygax when he gets criticized, no matter the evidence presented. I mean, I get friendship and all, but sometimes you gotta let your friends take their lumps when well deserved.
 

Yeah, the scene where Porky goes "Hah! Yeah! We're being sexist! Look at our sexism! We're gonna be EVEN MORE SEXIST just to piss you off!" was weirdly out of place in that film...

Oh. Wait. That didn't happen.

Because there's a difference between implicit sexism and explicit sexism and one is tolerated by society while the other isn't...

Motley Crue, for example, wore being sexist like a badge of honor. This one is from 1989:

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Being sexist is in the headlines of most newspaper articles about them, in most of the descriptions of their videos in the articles, and in some of the quotes about themselves.

They were fairly popular. :-/
 
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I'm aware. Main point is if people still say that now it woukd gave been a lot worse then.

All I'm saying is people are severely over estimating the degree of Garry's comments. Alot was swept under the ru or behind closed doors.

So, are you saying that Gary Gygax was not a sexist? Because... that's the degree I estimating him at. He was a sexist. Is that an over estimation on your part?

Is his sexism dependent on finding the absolutely most vitriolic, jailed misogynistic serial killer from 1970, and comparing them? If I find a human being foul and nasty enough, who did enough horrible things, does Gary Gygax stop being a sexist?

IF the answer is no, that he would still be a sexist.... then why does it matter that worse people exist? You keep making this claim, saying you aren't defending him... but worse people existed. Yeah. I know. I am very well aware that Gygax didn't reach the "skinning people alive" levels of horrible humanity. But he was still a sexist, which is the only claim being made.
 

I don't really see a point as 1) We've already been warned off going into deep political and historical contexts right now (not that this is exactly deep) and 2) I don't see as particularly relevant to the situation given the context we actually have in front of us.



I mean, yeah, I disagree because we literally have examples of blowback that he experienced. He's literally complaining about it when he declares himself a sexist! Like, have you read the stuff he said, because it directly relates to him experiencing blowback on his views!

By blowback I meant financially or in any significant way.

That blowback was essentially people disagreeing o firms.

You're going to get blowback regardless. On any topic. Put 7 humans in a room you will get 8 opinions.

Compare with Ernie firing hus mouth off. Except Ernie also combined that with being an incapable sad sack.

Gary said that in the 70s faced no significant blowback. Hell he said similar things gets I don't recall if he got a ban over it.

And once again no one's claiming Gary was right in the 70s it's more things were different that's all.

Claiming things were woukd be somewhere between disingenuous and pseudo history imho.

Thought experiment. I'm not a boomer as such but some sort of collapse coukd happen. Combine that with a cultural shift. We are already speed running the 1920s again but say we return to those views in the bext 50 years.

Are our views here wrong or different?

Same collapse but it goes another way and they look back on us in 50 years. Mass consumerism, buying D&D books off Anazon, empowering Bezos, Hasbro and Elon Musk. Are we wrong or different?
 

Nobody is talking about canceling anybody: I just bought this $100 with Gygax and Arneson's stuff in it, that WptC just published. They calmly pointed out that they did not endorse every idea in the text, and now there is a frakout over that careful nuanced take going down.
Im really happy to know this thank you. So much canceling going around lately, honestly doesn't fix anything.
 

Nobody is talking about canceling anybody: I just bought this $100 with Gygax and Arneson's stuff in it, that WptC just published. They calmly pointed out that they did not endorse every idea in the text, and now there is a frakout over that careful nuanced take going down.

But you know, we should really consider that those people who freaked out, likely sent death threats to the authors, and continue to defend Gygax's sexism as being completely right... they are just products of their time. I mean, look at society, people say worse things and threaten death to other people over less all the time, so do we really need to judge those people?

[That was sarcasm by the way, and not directed at you Parmandur, but at the people who keep insisting on this line of argument.]
 

So, are you saying that Gary Gygax was not a sexist? Because... that's the degree I estimating him at. He was a sexist. Is that an over estimation on your part?

Is his sexism dependent on finding the absolutely most vitriolic, jailed misogynistic serial killer from 1970, and comparing them? If I find a human being foul and nasty enough, who did enough horrible things, does Gary Gygax stop being a sexist?

IF the answer is no, that he would still be a sexist.... then why does it matter that worse people exist? You keep making this claim, saying you aren't defending him... but worse people existed. Yeah. I know. I am very well aware that Gygax didn't reach the "skinning people alive" levels of horrible humanity. But he was still a sexist, which is the only claim being made.

Nope he was a sexist it's right there in black and white. I did say I'm not a fan of his D&D either.

1E has gender based ability maximum in it. I wouldn't include stuff like that in any rpg I would hypothetically design. Olympic Powerlifting the RPG might be an exception but I wouldn't design or buy such an RPG anyway.

I'm not going to go set fire to my copy of the DMG 1E or Tacitus either though.

Thankfully I didn't buy Michael Jackson or JK Rowling material. Dodged a bullet there.
 

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