D&D (2024) Ranger 2024 is a bigger joke than Ranger 2014:

[mellored]

because ranger does not get subtle spell metamagic without spending a feat, which means their spellcasting just like everyone else who also doesn't have subtle spell, isn't subtle.

Are there any spells that don't have at least one V,S or M?

 

[Minigiant]

would not resteict it to 5e players. We skipped it since 2e mostly. As it is only fun once and then: "we do it like we did yesterday"

Like I say

Many complain about goodberry allowing you to skip foraging and tracking rations. But few actually want to forage and track rations.

 

[CreamCloud0]

Are there any spells that don't have at least one V,S or M?

i fail to see how that affects...any part of the argument?

but a spell without V components won't be audible in the same way one with them is.

 

[Chaosmancer]

I would like survival to be skill and non-magical class feature-based, for one thing, and for spells to be helpful but not capable of efficiently skipping that process.

You should check your PHB and character sheets. Survival is a skill.

I also note you didn't answer the question about Tiny Hut. Tiny Hut does not skip the process of making a camp, it does not skip the process of hiding a camp (it is a giant opaque orb). All it does, and all the supposed problem is, is that it prevents you from being attacked while you sleep, as long as the enemy isn't in the area when you cast it, or can't dispel magic, or doesn't burrow up from beneath.

Honestly, I have always considered trying to refocus the ranger into the "can we find enough food and water to survive" class to be a mistake. That style of gameplay really falls off at higher levels, and not just because of spells. I mean, think about it, you need to travel from Town A to Town B, if you make the forest so harsh, so inhospitable, so deadly that only a party with a 13th level ranger could even hope to traverse such a deadly environment... then the party is just going to join a merchant caravan and travel along the roads. Because the party might not even HAVE a ranger, and you need to get to Town B, so there are going to be solutions. You need to have extreme threats for high level rangers to tackle, and "find food and water in a forest" isn't even something that normal, everyday people truly struggle with doing. Let alone world-class rangers.

 

[Micah Sweet]

The truth is for all the complaining about being these magic obfuscating and skipping exploration rules, the vast majority of 5e players would not even want to use those rules.


This is why I said that the Ranger should be less involved with the idea of minimizing starvation and thirst and more involve in dealing with supernatural natural threats like magical storms, magical animals, fey and shadow crossings, and draconic and giant magic.

How exactly do you know that?

 

[Micah Sweet]

Like I say

Many complain about goodberry allowing you to skip foraging and tracking rations. But few actually want to forage and track rations.

Again, where is your evidence that few want these things?

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Again, where is your evidence that few want these things?

Experience with our groups. For 30 years now.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Experience with our groups. For 30 years now.

My point is all of you can only speak for yourselves and maybe your tables. You cannot speak for anyone beyond that, so these broad, sweeping statements about what everyone or no one wants are disingenuous.

 

[Corinnguard]

Experience with our groups. For 30 years now.

You're going to poll everyone here to see if this is true or not.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

My point is all of you can only speak for yourselves and maybe your tables. You cannot speak for anyone beyond that, so these broad, sweeping statements about what everyone or no one wants are disingenuous.

Why am I the only one not allowed to make those. Why is that a priviledge of ranger "fans" ?