D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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It's called "courting", you know. The fact you find it repulsive shows why the west is slowly dying out, people have been brainwashed so much, soon you will find even the thought of a male-female sexual relationship repulsive. (Which is probably what the powers behind the scenes have been planning for a long time now with how they influence culture via Hollywood and the like).
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ARRRRGGHGHGH! I will not get side tracked off topic. I will not get dragged off topic.

Hey, could folks who are not actually discussing the topic here - which is the reaction to the inclusion of a couple of lines in a history book - please go make their own threads?
 

While I'm a bit late to the party, I feel it should be pointed out that while Gary Gygax may have been sexist, he was not misogynist. For example, he personally hired Jean Wells to work for TSR:
 

While I'm a bit late to the party, I feel it should be pointed out that while Gary Gygax may have been sexist, he was not misogynist. For example, he personally hired Jean Wells to work for TSR:
Um, okay. Not sure what that has to do with anything, but thanks I guess.
 

Ahem.

:taps screen:

You. Yes, you.

Have you just read the title of the thread but little to nothing else?

Have you experienced an emotional reaction because you've just assumed it's a hate-fest against Gary?

Have you just assumed that it's people being unnecessarily histrionic/chronically offended about the fact that some of Gary's legacy materials were dodgy? And that you must deflect, downplay, or excuse said dodginess?

Have you quickly lumped it in with your personal outrage about cancel culture/wokism?

Have you suddenly and inexplicably, with no evidence at all, decided this thread is going to cancel things you like?

Do you feel that anything negative about Gary is an attack on you or your preferences?

Do you honestly not understand how other folks might find a "warts and all" history useful or interesting?

Do you claim not to care but bizarrely find yourself driven to tell everyone--in long, drawn out detail--that you don't care?

Stop right there!

Read this:
This thread exists because of a few lines in the foreword of a 500 page historical book essentially lauding Gary and recognising the early creation of D&D.

Those lines were typical disclaimer stuff that some of the old material was dodgy then and now. And it was.

What happened? Did people just shrug? Nope. Reactionaries decided it was slander, it was lies, it was besmirchment, and attacked the historians online: They must hate D&D! They're in cahoots with WotC! Worse, some of those reactionaries posted that the sexism, etc. was based and awesome. A lot of histrionics, and reactionaries being chronically offended that... (checks notes) a few truthful lines in hundreds upon hundreds of pages didn't paint Gary as a saint.

Riggs, seeing the vitriol aimed at the historians, waded in, posting evidence that showed that no, some of that stuff was dodgy or sexist. Honestly, some of it (like the whole Tiamat thing) wasn't the absolute strongest evidence or wasn't well presented though.

Then this thread was born.

In this thread, folks have posted irrefutable evidence (so, so much evidence) that the historians were correct. Gary was sexist, even by his own admission. Even by the standards of the time. And doubled down on it well into the 2000s. No one has called anyone bad for liking the older material. No one has called for cancelling or banning anything. No one has said we can't recognise and appreciate Gary's broader work. No one has said he is only the sum total of those negative traits. In fact, people have gone out of their way to say otherwise. They've also clearly, and repeatedly, explained why they find it useful or interesting. That you don't see a need no way invalidates the fact that they do.

So, if you said yes to any of my initial questions, perhaps consider the context and content of this thread as outlined above.
 
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"Male Dragon is good and female Dragon is evil"
Sweet Tiamat, did the article writer not understand that Tiamat and Bahamut are based on ancient Mezopotamian deities??? Tiamat is basically like Echidna in greek myths, the mother of all monsters. You can hardly accuse Gygax of sexism for using a many centuries old myth, sheesh.
Bahamut is a fish. With an Ox on his back. And an Angel on the Ox. And the World on the Angel's shoulders.

But yeah "King of Dragons" makes perfect sense for that!

Sincerely, this is an ill informed argument that ignores all historical context and the parenthetical aside that Gygax put on it where he explicitly called out Feminists in a direct challenge over the fact that he made the Girl Dragon the evil one.

YMMV I guess.
The fact this is a real thing and not a joke position shows why science in America is in such a sorry state.
Shock of shocks, you don't like science that involves the study of emotions. Guess they're too theoretical and no practical enough. That feels... familiar, somehow.
It's called "courting", you know. The fact you find it repulsive shows why the west is slowly dying out, people have been brainwashed so much, soon you will find even the thought of a male-female sexual relationship repulsive. (Which is probably what the powers behind the scenes have been planning for a long time now with how they influence culture via Hollywood and the like).
Ohhhhhhhhh... -that's- why it feels familiar. Welcome to the blocklist, BB!
 

Ahem.

:taps screen:

You. Yes, you.

Have you just read the title of the thread but little to nothing else?

Have you experienced an emotional reaction because you've just assumed it's a hate-fest against Gary?

Have you just assumed that it's people being unnecessarily histrionic/chronically offended about the fact that some of Gary's legacy materials were dodgy? And that you must deflect, downplay, or excuse his dodginess?

Have you accidentally lumped it in with your outrage about cancel culture/wokism?

Have you suddenly and inexplicably, with no evidence at all, decided this thread is going to cancel things you like?

Do you feel that anything negative about Gary is an attack on you or your preferences?

Do you honestly not understand how other folks might find a "warts and all" history useful or interesting?

Stop right there!

Read this:
This thread exists because of a few lines in the foreword of a 500 page historical book essentially lauding Gary and recognising the early creation of D&D.

Those lines were typical disclaimer stuff that some of the old material was dodgy then and now. And it was.

What happened? Did people just shrug? Nope. Reactionaries decided it was slander, it was lies, it was besmirchment, and attacked the historians online: They must hate D&D! They're in cahoots with WotC! Worse, some of those reactionaries posted that the sexism, etc. was based and awesome. A lot of histrionics, and reactionaries being chronically offended that... (checks notes) a few truthful lines in hundreds upon hundreds of pages didn't paint Gary as a saint.

Riggs, seeing the frothing overreaction and vitriol aimed at the historians, waded in, posting evidence that showed that no, some of that stuff was dodgy or sexist. Honestly, some of it (like the whole Tiamat thing) wasn't the best evidence or wasn't well presented though.

Then this thread was born.

In this thread, folks have posted irrefutable evidence (so, so much evidence) that the historians were correct. Gary was sexist, even by his own admission. Even by the standards of the time. And even doubled down on it well into the 2000s. No one has called anyone bad for liking the older material. No one has called for cancelling or banning anything. No one has said we can't recognise and appreciate what Gary did. No one has said he is only the sum total of those negative traits. In fact, people have gone out of their way to say otherwise. They've also clearly, and repeatedly, explained why they find it useful or interesting. That you don't see a need no way invalidates the fact that they do.

So, if you said yes to any of my initial questions, perhaps consider the context and content of this thread as outlined above.
You might need to repeat this every page.
 



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