D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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Look, folks, we know how a conversation like this goes on the internet. Because, internet. Read the rules you agreed to before replying. The banhammer will be used on those who don't do what they agreed to.
 

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Because if someone is looking for a Dragon of Chaos and Dragon of Law on popular myth books, there is one Dragon that stands out. Tiamat with Chaos. There isn't one for Law. So one is reduced to finding a name.


I'm not distracted from his sexism. I've repeatedly mentioned it when I bring it up. It's obvious from the quote he made. It doesn't matter why he chose Tiamat.

So why do I bring it up? Because the argument that he chose Tiamat randomly as a name for a dragon of chaos is completely, utterly insipid.
I'm not saying he chose the name randomly.

I'm saying that people are putting WAY MORE WEIGHT on the name and it's connection to the mythological figure than is reasonable. That people saying "It undermines the argument of sexism" are falling into a logic trap that tells them the mythological figure is the -reason- that Gygax made a chaos dragon.

Gygax wanted a chaos dragon to be the top of the pyramid for the chromatics, and a law dragon to be the top of the pyramid for the metallics.

And then he picked Tiamat and Bahamut as names to piss off feminists.

It wasn't "I wanna make Tiamat in a modern game to carry forward mythological tradition, let me start writing and ... oops. I completely changed her into a 5 headed dragon!" it was "I want a Good Platinum Dragon to be the 'shiniest' metallic and a Bad Dragon with all five of the heads of the chromatics and I need names. Oh, here's some names in a mythology book. And this one's even tied to dragons! Score!"

Followed swiftly by "Yeah, suck it feminists." (Reposting the image for new folks in the thread 'cause it's a THING where people aren't reading the OP and might be confused as to what we're talking about, not because I think you haven't seen it or need reminding)

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Because if someone is looking for a Dragon of Chaos and Dragon of Law in popular myth books of the time, there is (as far as I can tell) one Dragon that stands out. Tiamat with Chaos. There isn't one for Law. So one is obvious and the other is shunted into just finding a name that sounds good with Tiamat.

I'm not distracted from his sexism. I've repeatedly mentioned it when I bring it up. It's obvious from the quote he made. It doesn't seem to matter why he chose Tiamat as far as the follow up quote goes.

So why do I bring it up? Because the claim that he just happened to choose Tiamat randomly as a name for a dragon of chaos strikes me as completely insipid and it annoys me. I hate when things are unnecessarily added to weaken a claim I agree with.
Yep. There have been many times in my life when I've come up with something and later on noticed that it worked for something else completely different. Using Tiamat in that statement doesn't prove that he built the dragon rulers for that purpose. It's at a minimum equally plausible that he just came across them and created the two, and later made that statement because chaos and female dragon fit what he was going for.
 


Yeah I still think the 1E DMG is the most engaging GM guide to date. It is filled with very quirky advice, some good, some bad, some not applicable to everyone, even if it is phrased universally, but it is written in a manner that entertains, holds my interest and just stands out. Usually GM books are dull. Very, very dull. I don't even play 1E anymore but I frequently go back to the 1E DMG because I like reading it. About ten years ago, that was all I did after recovering from some major surgery. And while it isn't all perfect advice, there is some truly great advice in it if you actually read the whole thing. Going back to that book, taking the advice that work or spoke to me at the time, is one of the major things that changed my games for the better (I remember going back to it in the early to mid 2000s when I was frustrated with 3E GM advice)
It has great advice and poor advice, often contradicting itself. Wasn't the best edited book. But that made it feel like some tome to decipher. I wouldn't have the patience for such a game book now and my enjoyment of rereading it is mostly nostalgia. But I do have to admit to enjoying his Chadbandesque prose. I also like Jack Vance's writing. I just get a kick out of quirky writing.
 

I suspect that his flaunting of an arcane and archaic vocabulary was also a mix of him genuinely loving words, and of him overcompensating for his limited education and trying to assert and establish his intellectual credibility (or even authority).

Of course Einstein is apocryphally quoted as saying that we should "make things as simple as possible, but no simpler", but apparently no such quote actually can be sourced, and the quote he does have which can be most closely matched to it is much more verbose. :LOL: So clearly even the smartest of us can be prolix.

“It can scarcely be denied that the supreme goal of all theory is to make the irreducible basic elements as simple and as few as possible without having to surrender the adequate representation of a single datum of experience.”
That quote from Einstein is downright Gygaxian.
 

My take is that Gygax could have been a clearer and more effective writer, and still maintained his unique style, if only he’d been properly edited. But his words were practically Scripture, to be proofread, yes, but to be edited, never.
I always thought it had more to do with being rushed for time and not having the resources to properly edit.

I wouldn't be surprised if he would resist the administrations of a good editor, but I don't recall ever reading or hearing anyone saying this about him.
 

Just because it was an acceptable joke (for some) at that time in popular culture to use the N word, doesn't suddenly make it allright.

I also can make a joke, and depending on context can be very acceptable or very unacceptable. It all depends on context and here it isn't great.
Did I say it did make it alright? My comment literally did not say it was alright. In fact I said it was not.
 


This is probably why we will never agree on art. For me? 19th century authors are freaking unbearable, overblown and in dire need of an editor. :D

But, I would say that there is a serious difference between writing fiction and writing a manual.
I am a huge fan of 19th century authors but I still agree with your point.
 

I agree, but then none of it was intended to defend his bigotry in any way. The OP stated with certainty that Tiamat was the product of bigotry. I'm saying that not only is that one portion not certain, but it's probably wrong and had nothing to do with bigotry.
Right, Ben Riggs is over the top: but the start here was Peterson and WotC gingerly picking this as an example of something they wouldn't print today except as history, and people freaking out and calling that slander.
 

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