D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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You could publish that comment in a modern commercial product and sell it to a massive userbase of "Chads" and "Alphas" and so forth.

Gygax was selling to a niche of a niche. The "Alpha Bro Sexists" are no different except that their niche might be larger than wargaming was in 1975. Certainly has more mainstream appeal.

Misleadingly phrased... It was pretty much the only edition sold for 30 years, so it sold more than any other edition since no other edition was sold for more than a decade and were all derivations -of- that edition.
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People complained. People sent what could be construed as death threats over stuff in the 1970s and 80s materials. It just didn't change anything.

I even linked a published picture of a fictional lynching in effigy of several TSR employees.

"The Art of Manliness" is a modern podcast in which a misogynist rants. 15 million unique page hits. 160k daily subscribers. It's only been around since 2009. Dude has advertisers. Butcher Box, Ka'Chava, Saxx, Squarespace, Stitcher, and ZipRecruiter are all sponsors. TSR never had Sponsors. People who paid Gygax to advertise their product in association with D&D.

That's the actual modern context.

You are correct. Even into 2005 he could say sexist BS on this very board and not get called out by moderators or fans. Because the sexism is still in the room with us, today. It didn't vanish in 1975.

"The Context" is damning.

Yeah, surely some of the biggest companies in the world wouldn't tolerate misogyny, racism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism, fatphobia, and worse.

Lemme just check Twitter out real quick... oh. Maybe Facebo-Oh no.

Like I get the urge to draw lines of separation but it's really not that different. ZipRecruiter actually sponsors misogynistic rants because there's enough listeners to get more purchases weighed against any social outcry or backlash against them.

"Mass Market" is where you're kinda in the wrong, here. D&D was not a product sold to every housewife in America. It was a niche of roleplayers who were part of the wargaming community which itself was a slice of nerd-dom.

It didn't get mass marketed 'til 5e. And even then mostly because of Critical Role's explosive social influence.

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1E over lapped with basic. So much better on multiple levels. Sold more depending on how you count it.

Also I did say mass market. You could make a product aimed at chuds and potentially make money. D&Ds not that product though.

You're arguing from a morality PoV. I'm arguing from reality. You're also dismissing the other 70s and 80s stuff tgat was around that was also released.

And you've quoted Gary in 2005. Once again he wasn't disciplined by the mids for his comments.

Your argument is you can find sone amount of people who disagree. I'm sure you coukd find tge opposite as well (let's face itcwe woukd find then).

The reality was though you could release that product that wasn't aimed just at chuds. Gary fould express his comments without censure as late as 2005.

Why? Different time.
 

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There are multiple podcasts of people just sitting around spewing misogyny and earning enough cash to live in McMansions in Los Angeles.

I'm aware. If the win and societies views change pendulum swings the other way long term who's right in 50 years? What society finds acceptable is just a reflection of that time.

People get into bubbles as well miss the forest for the trees. At least 53% disagreed with me last year hence the current clowns.

Those podcasts aren't exactly mainstream even in America they're a minority a least.

We don't really have them (to the same extent at least) here thankfully you can dig up the American bilge if you try hard enough.
 

The closest D&D got to Mass Marketed was a commercial in the 80s aimed specifically at Kids on Saturday mornings, and comic-book adverts in the back of Marvel or DC right next to the X-Ray Specs.


This is called Targeted Marketing. Aiming at a very narrow and very specific band of potential customers rather than, say, buying Ad Space on the Superbowl or Nightly News in the 70s which almost everyone watched.

As far as "Mainstream Appeal" here's some of the notable guests of Fresh and Fit which started in 2020.

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You might notice on there some celebrities and a literal Nazi.

Youtube gladly hosted their racist, antisemitic, homophobic, sexist content for 3 years before... checks notes Demonetizing them. Which means Youtube -still- hosts their racist, antisemitic, homophobic, sexist content and still gets traffic from their fans, but doesn't share the money with them, anymore.

You can also find them on Spotify, Twitch, and Rumble since 2022 where they're still producing monetized content.

But, y'know, Youtube certainly doesn't have an algorithm that pushes people down a rabbit hole toward content like that, right?

Like. Sincerely. I get the desire to create a big line and pretend that it's way less mainstream than it was in the 70s but it isn't. We both romanticize and condemn the past, particularly the era shortly before we were born.

Think of pretty much every "Victorian Period Piece" you've ever read or seen. All prim and proper and clean cut (unless you're looking at something written by the French) and suuuuuper polite.

But it's a lie. It's a pleasant fabrication invented by the next generation and the one after that. The Victorian Era was bawdy as HECK. From 1800 to 1837 37% of babies were conceived -before- marriage. By the 1850s it was over 40%! (In Eastern Scotland it was over 60%?!)

Care to guess what today's online hookup culture percentage of kids born before their parents are married is?

40%. Give or take a percentage.

We still conceive of the Victorian Era as prudish. But they were getting down just as hard as we do, today.

And it has always been that way. Later generations either invent or cover up the sins of their parents, or the parents themselves displace their sins onto others.

"Oh, it was worse back then than it is today" is easier to say than to grapple with continuing issues that haven't gone away. It's also why in the 70s everyone in those pictures with the Little Rock Nine -disappeared- into the woodwork never to be heard from, again. No one's Mom or Grandma was screaming racist abuse at those people just trying to go to school.

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Never mind that pictures still exist. Never mind that the people frozen forever, screaming in frothing rage, continued to vote and contribute to society. "It was a different time."

It's -so- easy to say. To place the blame on somewhen else. To excuse the people we liked from "That Time" for anything they did wrong.
 

I am not going to say the past being worse justifies the wrongs of the past. Slavery was wrong no matter what, but people are really dismissing just how much worse things were in the 70s (I was born in the mid-70s and the 80s were still far far worse than today in terms of those things). If you go back even further we had laws on the books that actively discriminated against people and allowed states to violate basic civil rights, segregation, made interracial marriage illegal, and there was large scale support in prior generations for things like eugenics, racialist science, even some mainstream support of groups like the KKK. No one is saying things are perfect now, or that hasn't been regression, or that living in a particular context justifies everything, but just having lived a nearly 50 year life, I can see the massive difference just through my own eyes, to say nothing if you go back and look at old shows, movies, primary sources, interviews, etc
 

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Nope. Reread what I said. Nothing there said it was okay to make that comment and everything said otherwise. I'm just saying that there it is not certain that the queen of chaotic dragons was created with his sexism(see how I keep saying otherwise by calling it sexism and not defending his comments?) in mind.
 

I am not going to say the past being worse justifies the wrongs of the past. Slavery was wrong no matter what, but people are really dismissing just how much worse things were in the 70s (I was born in the mid-70s and the 80s were still far far worse than today in terms of those things). If you go back even further we had laws on the books that actively discriminated against people and allowed states to violate basic civil rights, segregation, made interracial marriage illegal, and there was large scale support in prior generations for things like eugenics, racialist science, even some mainstream support of groups like the KKK. No one is saying things are perfect now, or that hasn't been regression, or that living in a particular context justifies everything, but just having lived a nearly 50 year life, I can see the massive difference just through my own eyes, to say nothing if you go back and look at old shows, movies, primary sources, interviews, etc
Was it worse? Sure.

Was it so much drastically worse that Gygax's statements, had they been made in the mainstream rather than in a niche hobby, wouldn't get any push back at all? No.

Hell. He got pushback -in- the niche hobby space. From dudes, too.

But we -act- like it was that much drastically worse because it paints the present in a prettier place.

Just like how no one's grandma is in photos from the 50s and 60s being an openly screaming racist at a protest against integration. And even if she were "It was a different time, now pass Grandma's Rhubarb Pie, I want another slice" handwavium persists.
 



Imagine if WotC had published this book without acknowledging the problematic content.
It's likely the result would've been the same.

A handful of people saying "Don't forget he was a sexist." A bunch of people going "Nuh uh!" The receipts. "Well, okay, but it was normal in the 70s!" More receipts on why it wasn't. "But this specific piece of evidence isn't up to my standards!" Receipts on the undermining of evidence being misplaced. "But it was a different time!"

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

Only instead of Ben Riggs doing some of the legwork before the rest of us got here, we'd be starting from scratch.
 

Was it worse? Sure.

Was it so much drastically worse that Gygax's statements, had they been made in the mainstream rather than in a niche hobby, wouldn't get any push back at all? No.

Hell. He got pushback -in- the niche hobby space. From dudes, too.

But we -act- like it was that much drastically worse because it paints the present in a prettier place.

Just like how no one's grandma is in photos from the 50s and 60s being an openly screaming racist at a protest against integration. And even if she were "It was a different time, now pass Grandma's Rhubarb Pie, I want another slice" handwavium persists.
I am not saying there was no push back. There often was. My point isn’t even to defend what Gygax said, it is to warn against simplifying the past or paint a more optimistic picture of his things were at the time. The issue is, there would be push back, feminism was a thing, views were rapidly changing, but push back was all it amounted to. People could go on talk shows, write editorials and say things like that or worse and they were still able to be on those platforms. You will also see people on those platforms pushing back. Sean Connery said it is okay for men to hit their wives in interviews in the 60s and 70s. He even repeated the statement in 1987 talking to Barbara Walters (who pushed back). Lots of people didn’t like what he said, one of my Aunts used to bring it up all the time for example, but people still adored him, he still had a career, he remained most people’s favorite James Bond. Were an actor to say that today, I think the reaction would be quite different because times are drastically different. That is the point people are trying to make. Not that enlightened people didn’t exist then, or even that what was said reflected a majority viewpoint. Just that it was a viewpoint way more people could get away with having. It was the kind of thing you saw in media from time to time
 

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