D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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Look, folks, we know how a conversation like this goes on the internet. Because, internet. Read the rules you agreed to before replying. The banhammer will be used on those who don't do what they agreed to.
 

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I'm not sure how a warning on a book about the game's creator is helpful at all. For me its only functions are "clickbaity" and to serve some righteous crusade.
It's not a "warning" about creators. It's a disavowal, by the game's publisher, of certain material found within, or associated with, the texts of the game that they publish.

As per this post:
Now, perchance a person could pick that book up, having heard of this D&D thing that people love so much, be a strange purchase for someone like that, but maybe they are the sort of person who likes to read the history of a thing before getting into it. And they see that this book proudly talks about how DnD changed the world and pushed forward innovative new ways of gaming and thinking.... while also loudly declaring that women and minorities are not welcome here.

Is that what modern D&D should be? Do we believe that is what it is? No, of course not. So, perhaps, it makes a lot of sense to, while talking about how amazing D&D is and how it changed the world, to just briefly touch on "and yeah, we had some messed up things in our past that we aren't proud of and no longer support"
This all reinforces that the book is not a scholarly, or even antiquarian, presentation and analysis of various texts that are then analysed for their historical significance, cultural meaning etc. The book is not "neutral" as to the material that it presents. It's a marketing-type, celebratory book, published by a game publisher to celebrate their game.

Correspondingly, the audience for this book is not, primarily, those who are interested in a social history of 1970s mid-west wargaming, who - relying on these primary texts - might form and test conjectures about the political and social convictions, and the cultural influences on and of, D&D's designers. The primary audience is people who play and enjoy D&D. And these are the people who are being assured that the sexist, racist etc stuff found in the old tests is now repudiated by WotC.

The analogy would be Hasbro publishing a coffee-table retrospective of classic board game boxes and including the notorious "dad and son play Battleship while mum and daughter do the dishes" image. (I've had a copy of that box since the mid-70s, when a friend of my parents gifted me the game.) It would be no surprise if such a thing also included a note that the picture reflects a sexist stereotype, and that people of all sexes and races are welcome in the Battleship-playing community.

Whereas a scholarly treatment wouldn't purport to speak for the game's community at all (that being the role of a publisher and marketer, not a scholar): it would present the image (or text or whatever) and then discuss its significance using the analytical and methodological tools appropriate to the scholarly discipline.

But that is why you are seeing such pushback, it isn't just about individual instances of language that is deemed sexist, it is about a host of issues, like cultural appropriation, that people are far from agreement on in the hobby
To me, the "pushback" seems like thinly-veiled (or unveiled) "culture war".

I mean, does anyone who really cares about Gods, Demi-Gods and Heroes - either because they want to use it in play, or because they are curious about this element of the game's early days - not already have access to a copy?
 

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Oh, please. It's a long thread, but I've already acknowledged Gary's sexism. At no point have I disagreed that Gary was sexist. This really smacks of "You're not agreeing with me in the right way."
This. Folks are acting is if we are somehow defending Gygax's sexism, even though we have many times acknowledged it and agree that it is bad.
 

ILLEGITIMATE births? Is this disgusting term still in use in the US? Even a retrograde country like Italy has removed it completely.
As recently as the early 2000's I had to formally recognize my daughter with a court document in order for her to be able to inherit. Her mom and I never married. When they asked me if I wanted to do that, I was shocked that I even had to. I filled out the form without hesitation. She's my daughter.
 

My recollection of Carano was that she made some transphobic comments, and got "canceled" for them by the Twitter crowd but that that had little effect on her actual career. However, then we had the whole Covid thing and she started saying antivax stuff as well, as well as objecting publicly to on-set safety measures, and that's when she became impossible to work with – not for being a bigot, but for being a workplace hazard.
In all likelihood, she'd have been fired anyway for those transphobic comments. Disney takes things like that VERY seriously. The 2020 footage was probably already filmed and post production underway when the comments were made, so she still appeared in the 2020 season of The Mandalorian. I doubt the antivax stuff did anything but speed up the firing.

Edit: I quick look into the past shows that she wasn't fired for antivax stuff at all. She was fired for likening being a Republican to being a Jew during the holocaust. 😮
 

In all likelihood, she'd have been fired anyway for those transphobic comments. Disney takes things like that VERY seriously. The 2020 footage was probably already filmed and post production underway when the comments were made, so she still appeared in the 2020 season of The Mandalorian. I doubt the antivax stuff did anything but speed up the firing.

Edit: I quick look into the past shows that she wasn't fired for antivax stuff at all. She was fired for likening being a Republican to being a Jew during the holocaust. 😮

Ah, I like that we've found the magic third thing that "rising star" Gina Carano was "cancelled" for, which kind of shows how dumb this whole tangent was in the first place. It can all basically be summed in one tweet:

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I think there is actually a decent historical example of what people would like to call "being cancelled", but it never gets brought up for reasons that become obvious when it is.
 

It's not a "warning" about creators. It's a disavowal, by the game's publisher, of certain material found within, or associated with, the texts of the game that they publish.

As per this post:
This all reinforces that the book is not a scholarly, or even antiquarian, presentation and analysis of various texts that are then analysed for their historical significance, cultural meaning etc. The book is not "neutral" as to the material that it presents. It's a marketing-type, celebratory book, published by a game publisher to celebrate their game.

Correspondingly, the audience for this book is not, primarily, those who are interested in a social history of 1970s mid-west wargaming, who - relying on these primary texts - might form and test conjectures about the political and social convictions, and the cultural influences on and of, D&D's designers. The primary audience is people who play and enjoy D&D. And these are the people who are being assured that the sexist, racist etc stuff found in the old tests is now repudiated by WotC.

The analogy would be Hasbro publishing a coffee-table retrospective of classic board game boxes and including the notorious "dad and son play Battleship while mum and daughter do the dishes" image. (I've had a copy of that box since the mid-70s, when a friend of my parents gifted me the game.) It would be no surprise if such a thing also included a note that the picture reflects a sexist stereotype, and that people of all sexes and races are welcome in the Battleship-playing community.

Whereas a scholarly treatment wouldn't purport to speak for the game's community at all (that being the role of a publisher and marketer, not a scholar): it would present the image (or text or whatever) and then discuss its significance using the analytical and methodological tools appropriate to the scholarly discipline.

To me, the "pushback" seems like thinly-veiled (or unveiled) "culture war".

I mean, does anyone who really cares about Gods, Demi-Gods and Heroes - either because they want to use it in play, or because they are curious about this element of the game's early days - not already have access to a copy?

The book wasn't about the social history of 1970's mid-west wargaming, it was a documentation of how Gygax and Arneson made Dungeons and Dragons. And yes, it celebrates the game. It is also a full reprinting of a lot of old material. That doesn't make it any less historical. A book collecting pictures of the building of the Empire State building is still a book about the history of that building (in visual form) even if it doesn't use scholarly analysis of the rights of workers in the 1930's.

Yes, since Wizards owns the sole rights to print much of the material included in this book, they were involved in the publishing of the book. And as part of that, they do have an interest in not appearing to support or promote sexism, racism, or the other various takes. As they noted in the intro, one of the things they reprinted was a wargaming ruleset that made light of slavery. Are we really going to get upset that WoTC, in publishing material that includes this stuff, in promoting this stuff as massively influential to human culture as a whole... also wanted to make it clear that the racism, sexism, and other horrid content was not something they promote?

And again, none of this would be anything of note, none of this would matter in the slightest, except people are FURIOUS about the fact that it was called out and called out as bad specifically.
 

Ah, I like that we've found the magic third thing that "rising star" Gina Carano was "cancelled" for, which kind of shows how dumb this whole tangent was in the first place. It can all basically be summed in one tweet:

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I think there is actually a decent historical example of what people would like to call "being cancelled", but it never gets brought up for reasons that become obvious when it is.

I noted in another thread, where people were talking about cancel culture, about how the term is used.

I don't think any disagrees that mass online harassment from a mob of people that costs someone their job or makes them fear for their well-being is bad. People who get "mobbed" for saying horrible racist/sexist/transphobic things call this "being canceled". Women, LGBTQ+ people, and people of differing ethnicities or religions who this happens to all the time... never call it "being canceled". There is not a single transperson whose work I have followed who has ever said "the right is canceling me for my existence". They barely talk about the hate they receive, because it is endless.

So, in my experience, every single person who cries "I am being canceled" usually did something stupid and/or hateful, and got called out for it. Making it ALWAYS the consequences of their own actions.
 


In all likelihood, she'd have been fired anyway for those transphobic comments. Disney takes things like that VERY seriously. The 2020 footage was probably already filmed and post production underway when the comments were made, so she still appeared in the 2020 season of The Mandalorian. I doubt the antivax stuff did anything but speed up the firing.

Edit: I quick look into the past shows that she wasn't fired for antivax stuff at all. She was fired for likening being a Republican to being a Jew during the holocaust. 😮
Yeah, that was... um, a rather disgusting hot take.
 

To me, the "pushback" seems like thinly-veiled (or unveiled) "culture war".

I mean, does anyone who really cares about Gods, Demi-Gods and Heroes - either because they want to use it in play, or because they are curious about this element of the game's early days - not already have access to a copy?

I don't think it quite rises to culture war (which is more over substantive issues). This strikes me more as the media trope discourses in the gaming and geek sphere, which sometimes touches peripherally on these issues. Ideas about how pure the tropes ought to be, how upset we should be over different sensibilities in earlier products, etc. My point is just that a lot of this stuff hasn't particularly been settled in the gaming community, so raising those topics is naturally going to set off more fiery debate
 

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