D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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Look, folks, we know how a conversation like this goes on the internet. Because, internet. Read the rules you agreed to before replying. The banhammer will be used on those who don't do what they agreed to.
 

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I haven't read this one.

I have said several times, there isn't anything I am taking issue with.

So, to be clear. You don't have any issue with the information in the book. You also have not read the book. But you want to make it very clear that since it wasn't published by a university that it isn't a history book, because you can't trust the information in it is accurate, even though it is 90% or most simply primary sources reprinted. None of which you have any issue with, but you want to be clear that since it wasn't peer-reviewed by a history department to be published by a university with footnotes (which you don't know if it has because you've never read it) it can't be a history book.

Have I got this about right?
 

I assume you are referring to Philip Short's book? I've read it - my son wrote his IB History thesis on the rise of the Khmer Rouge.

That is cool that he wrote his thesis on that (I am not 100% sure what an IB is, is that like a BA or more like a masters or PhD?). I only have a BA in history, and most of my area of focus was Mediterranean and ancient history (though when I could I took electives on stuff like China). Had I gone on to get a masters or PhD I would probably have gone more in the direction of studying Southeast Asia. I became friends with a monk who was imprisoned during the Khmer Rouge, and that made me very interested in learning more. Also where I live we have a very large population of Cambodian Refugees from that period. So I picked up Philip Short's book when I was just amassing material on it to read (I probably ended up just using one or two of the books I read as sources in any of my coursework)
 

No, they really don't "need" to do anything.

Let us make that clear. There is no law. No dire consequences. And you, Maxperson, are not the "100% Proof Police".

So, maybe chill out, huh?
You are correct that "need" was too strong of a word. However, the burden of proof is on those making the claim.

And while I am not the "100% proof" police, what is certain(100%) is that nothing yet posted in this thread shows that it's certain that Gygax created the dragon rulers with sexism in mind.
 

So, to be clear. You don't have any issue with the information in the book. You also have not read the book. But you want to make it very clear that since it wasn't published by a university that it isn't a history book, because you can't trust the information in it is accurate, even though it is 90% or most simply primary sources reprinted. None of which you have any issue with, but you want to be clear that since it wasn't peer-reviewed by a history department to be published by a university with footnotes (which you don't know if it has because you've never read it) it can't be a history book.

Have I got this about right?

I think we should take a step back and assume good faith here. I brought this up because a poster said something to the effect 'but a historian of D&D said' and that prompted me to raise a question I have long had about people we label as historians of D&D in these discussions. I see it as more of a side point and not especially connecting to how I feel about this particular discussion.

In terms of what I have read and my thoughts on this discussion, I read the preface that @Steampunkette posted, and like I have said a million times, I am not interested in defending things Gygax has said. But I also can see how a preface like that is going to generate controversy and debate because it hits on a lot of issues we have debated in D&D. In terms of the quotes by Riggs in the opening of this thread. A lot of what is here certainly looks like sexist language. I do have some reservations about context (for example I couldn't track down the issue where he said the particularly egregious thing, and that made it hard for me to know if there was any broader context to the statement that might alter my sense of the tone.....but it is obviously a pretty inflammatory statement). I think there can be a more nuanced discussion around what that means, what tropes in D&D necessarily stem from that, if said tropes need to be removed because of their history and who wrote them, etc. I tend to take less of a 'tropes need to purified' approach than some of the posters in this thread I think. There is also the question of whether you can pin a person as complicated as Gygax to his worst moments in print (I don't know if that particular statement was him fully expressing the complexity of his views on sex and gender, if it was somewhat that but also him venting frustration, or if it was an attempt to be witty gone wrong: I think there are a number of angles this stuff can be examined from, and I think you have to be a little cautious when attributing motives to people who have died). Honestly I don't take any issue with peopel finding what he said sexist, or feeling the game is. And personally, based on what I know about Gary's politics, I don't think I share many of his views at all. But I also think people are taking a very hard line here insisting everyone has to agree with one interpretation, one particularly take away or lesson in regards to the content of the game itself. Like I said, I find the quoted section from that European Gaming Journal to look pretty sexist, I am not as bothered by something like the Brazen Strumpet entry on the table as I can see the humor of it (not saying they ought to include that in a modern version of D&D, but those kinds of things are what gave early D&D a lot of its flare and charm). The women's lib remark certainly isn't something I would expect to hear today, it isn't shocking when I see it in a book from the 70s though. My view is this can be nuanced, complicated, and people can look at the same information and reach different conclusions about what is in a person's soul. But Gary always did seem a little bristly to me. I think that is part of what made his writing interesting. I would rather defend his actual D&D writing than him as a human being
 

That is cool that he wrote his thesis on that (I am not 100% sure what an IB is, is that like a BA or more like a masters or PhD?). I only have a BA in history, and most of my area of focus was Mediterranean and ancient history (though when I could I took electives on stuff like China). Had I gone on to get a masters or PhD I would probably have gone more in the direction of studying Southeast Asia. I became friends with a monk who was imprisoned during the Khmer Rouge, and that made me very interested in learning more. Also where I live we have a very large population of Cambodian Refugees from that period. So I picked up Philip Short's book when I was just amassing material on it to read (I probably ended up just using one or two of the books I read as sources in any of my coursework)
IB is International Baccalaureate - it's high school, but Higher Level students earn college credit for IB classes. One of the requirements for that is a 3000 word (I think?) research essay plus abstract and primary source analysis on a topic of their choice. My son is interested in the rise of communism generally and became particularly interested in Pol Pot's extreme take on agrarian communism.
 

Related to the subject of what is "history"...

One person that I want to defend a little bit is Rob Kuntz. Because to him, this whole thing isn't history, it's the story of his life and his friend. I will be the first to admit that I don't agree with Kuntz's criticisms of the book, and I believe his memories of Gary are not objective. But we should not expect them to be. We should take his views and opinions for what they are. We should respect them and consider them to be a part of the history, not a critique of the history.

It bothers me that Kuntz's name in the OP is the same paragraph with Kent David Kelly, as if the two are equal. They're not. They come from completely different places and have very different motivations. It bothers me that Kuntz's words are being used to fuel defense of sexism. I don't know Rob personally, but I've been in some of the same forums with him. I believe that he has tried to follow the mantra of do better that is preached on ENWorld; he probably hasn't always succeeded, but he has tried. He was one of the people that spoke personally to Ernie Gygax when Ernie went off the deep end of intolerance, and ended up breaking ties with Ernie because of it.

All that being said, I get why Kuntz's words kicked off a lot of this discussion. It's unfortunate, but understandable. But I think it's really important to view those words through the proper lens. And objective history ain't it. His defense of Gary should be understood not from a historical perspective but from the point of view of someone dealing with the loss of a loved one. He's not only the voice of someone who knew Gary as a person, but the voice of someone who actively feels the loss of that person today.

I understand the impulse to make exceptions for people who defend others out of love. It makes sense to a degree, you want to shield your loved ones, be they friends or family, from harm.

But when your loved ones do harm unto others, denying and fighting against that truth, out of love for your loved ones, accomplishes nothing but causing pain. Or it means you put your loyalty to them above the well-being of others. Neither is good, and if you speak to defend a friend for things they factually did... then you are going to get blowback on you, for insisting on defending them when they did wrong.
 

IB is International Baccalaureate - it's high school, but Higher Level students earn college credit for IB classes. One of the requirements for that is a 2000 word research essay plus abstract and primary source analysis on a topic of their choice. My son is interested in the rise of communism generally and became particularly interested in Pol Pot's extreme take on agrarian communism.

Cool. It sounds like he and I developed some similar historical interests. I am sure he has seen it but there was a documentary called S21: The Khmer Rouge Killing Machine. I highly recommend it if he hasn't happened to have seen it. It is kind of shocking to watch though (believe it was directed by a survivor). Another book I remember really enjoying, which he also probably read, is Brother Number One by David P Chandler.
 

But when your loved ones do harm unto others, denying and fighting against that truth, out of love for your loved ones, accomplishes nothing but causing pain. Or it means you put your loyalty to them above the well-being of others. Neither is good, and if you speak to defend a friend for things they factually did... then you are going to get blowback on you, for insisting on defending them when they did wrong.

I think people have very different cultures around this stuff. I was raised where it is unthinkable to turn against your own family, even your friends. Doesn't mean you support what a person says or does if they say or do something objectionable, but you put personal relationships before online and social optics. I have family members who support political causes I strongly disagree with. But I am not going to let that impact my love for them or come out swinging against them publicly
 

I think people have very different cultures around this stuff. I was raised where it is unthinkable to turn against your own family, even your friends. Doesn't mean you support what a person says or does if they say or do something objectionable, but you put personal relationships before online and social optics. I have family members who support political causes I strongly disagree with. But I am not going to let that impact my love for them or come out swinging against them publicly

I think there's a difference between "I'm not going to hop on the wagon of attacking my family member even though I know something they expressed is noxious" and "I'm going to defend them against the shots the got for that noxious opinion". The former is a hard line about loyalty to walk sometimes (I'll do it to a degree but there are limits), but the latter is basically joining your fate to theirs and in practice, associating yourself with the same noxious opinion, and Chaosmancer says, when you do that you should not be surprised if you're treated the same.
 

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