D&D (2024) Reworked…revised…redone….but

[Micah Sweet]

Ranger has been a new class 2 times already.

But yea. Those 2 got the most changes.

Because if 2 players sit down an play a 2014 and 2024 Wizard, it could take half the campaign before the DM knows which is which.

Maybe 2 sessions for the monk.

Funny, but it doesn't refute anything I've said. It's also worth noting that, like other edition changes before it, this one iterates on supplements for the previous version that many players simply don't use or may not even be aware of to any great extent. The jump to 5.5 from Tasha's and MMotM may be smallish (though there are still changes there). Doing so from one PH to the next is a significantly bigger leap, one a lot of players will very shortly be asked to make.

 

[mamba]

Different with the same name?

sure, different cover, different spine, calling out the revision on the back. Why Not? It's not like 5e had a version number in the front either. There is no way someone mistakes the two books for each other, regardless of the front just saying PHB

By your logic no one could tell these two books apart either

 

[mamba]

My point is that many folks don't keep up with WotC news. They may just go in to buy a PH for a new game or as a replacement and find it to be full of different rules.

yet somehow you did not consider things deceptive when nothing but the art changed.

Those books never presented themselves as revised in any way other than layout or art.

If people were not confused then, why would they be now

 

[Micah Sweet]

sure, different cover, different spine, calling out the revision on the back. Why Not? It's not like 5e had a version number in the front either. There is no way someone mistakes the two books for each other, regardless of the front just saying PHB

By your logic no one could tell these two books apart either

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5.0 and 5.5 use far more similar trade dress than 4e did to either.

 

[R_J_K75]

Mike Mearls and Jeremy Crawford are listed as the Lead Designers on 2014 5E. Mearls is no longer with WotC correct, so that would make Crawford the Lead Designer on 2024 5E right? So, would that have been Crawfords decision to do a 5E revision and not a new edition, or was Mearls still around at that time? I really dont know thats why Im asking

 

[mellored]

Funny, but it doesn't refute anything I've said. It's also worth noting that, like other edition changes before it, this one iterates on supplements for the previous version that many players simply don't use or may not even be aware of to any great extent. The jump to 5.5 from Tasha's and MMotM may be smallish (though there are still changes there). Doing so from one PH to the next is a significantly bigger leap, one a lot of players will very shortly be asked to make.

Agreed.

If you already have Tasha's, Xanathar's, MMotM, then i probably wouldn't bother with the 2024 PHB. Not enough changes for $50 (unless you really like the monk). Wait for a sale or snag it used off ebay or something.

If you just have the 2014 PHB, then I think it's worth the upgrade.

IMO, with my budget.

 

[Micah Sweet]

yet somehow you did not consider things deceptive when nothing but the art changed.


If people were not confused then, why would they be now

Because 5.0 and 5.5 actually are different, unlike those other examples.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Agreed.

If you already have Tasha's, Xanathar's, MMotM, then i probably wouldn't bother with the 2024 PHB. Not enough changes for $50 (unless you really like the monk). Wait for a sale or snag it used off ebay or something.

If you just have the 2014 PHB, then I think it's worth the upgrade.

IMO, with my budget.

Totally fair. I always appreciate an informed choice.

 

[mamba]

5.0 and 5.5 use far more similar trade dress than 4e did to either.

that is a pretty weak argument for why a version number is so essential now in order to not confuse people

 

[mamba]

Mike Mearls and Jeremy Crawford are listed as the Lead Designers on 2014 5E. Mearls is no longer with WotC correct, so that would make Crawford the Lead Designer on 2024 5E right? So, would that have been Crawfords decision to do a 5E revision and not a new edition, or was Mearls still around at that time? I really dont know thats why Im asking

I very much doubt that that is a decision the designers make