D&D (2024) Dual Wielding

[FrogReaver]

And what needs some clarification is using TWF on an action surge / haste.

What’s not clear?

 

[FrogReaver]

Well I don't have the book yet, so...

I don’t either but they quoted you the relevant rules less than 10 posts ago…

 

[fluffybunbunkittens]

And what needs some clarification is using TWF on an action surge / haste.

What’s not clear?

It's yet another part of TWF that's not written tightly.

Either you gain one possibility of the Light property extra attack per Attack action, or you gain just the one chance if you've taken the Attack action sometime in the round... Which didn't matter previously, because you only have one bonus action available for you to take, but they did not revise the Light property text after coming up with Nick.

This one isn't a big deal, as it only makes a difference for people with Nick proficiency and Action Surge / Haste, and if they are Nick people then they are likely going to pick up Dual-Wielder at lv4 anyway. It's just not clean and clear text, where you could easily get such with one minute more spent on it.

 

[mellored]

What’s not clear?

Is the Light attack limited to once per turn, or once per Attack action?

Attack action
TWF (Nick)
Action Surge -> Attack action
TWF (bonus action) ?

 

[Stormonu]

Nothing in the ruleset should be this convoluted. I am not fond of 2024's attempt to use technical setups with a game that is mostly built from natural language (and works a hell of a lot better with natural language).

 

[Shardstone]

Nothing in the ruleset should be this convoluted. I am not fond of 2024's attempt to use technical setups with a game that is mostly built from natural language (and works a hell of a lot better with natural language).

Some keywords are good, but their use of keywords leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[mellored]

I don’t either but they quoted you the relevant rules less than 10 posts ago…

Ok, yea.
TWF style works with Dual Wielding.
Easy enough.

Nothing in the ruleset should be this convoluted. I am not fond of 2024's attempt to use technical setups with a game that is mostly built from natural language (and works a hell of a lot better with natural language).

It's less convoluted once you see the actual rules.

Half of the issue was trying to piece it together from various different reviews, playtests, and 2014 rules.

 

[FrogReaver]

It's yet another part of TWF that's not written tightly.

Either you gain one possibility of the Light property extra attack per Attack action, or you gain just the one chance if you've taken the Attack action sometime in the round... Which didn't matter previously, because you only have one bonus action available for you to take, but they did not revise the Light property text after coming up with Nick.

This one isn't a big deal, as it only makes a difference for people with Nick proficiency and Action Surge / Haste, and if they are Nick people then they are likely going to pick up Dual-Wielder at lv4 anyway. It's just not clean and clear text, where you could easily get such with one minute more spent on it.

Can someone quote the two weapon fighting rules?

 

[FrogReaver]

Is the Light attack limited to once per turn, or once per Attack action?

Attack action
TWF (Nick)
Action Surge -> Attack action
TWF (bonus action) ?

Without yet seeing the rules my guess is basic two weapon fighting will say something like when you take the attack action and attack with a light weapon, you can make an extra attack with another light weapon as a bonus action - otherwise you get in really silly territory really fast.

 

[Shardstone]

Can someone quote the two weapon fighting rules?

When you make an extra attack as a result of using a weapon that has the Light property, you can add your Ability modifier to the damage of that attack if you aren't already adding it to the damage.