D&D (2024) Ranger 2024 is a bigger joke than Ranger 2014:

[Horwath]

Sure

But then you'll have to redesign every concentration ranger spell around the concept of them being able to cast it without being broken by damage.

And This doesn't get into the fact that everything you ask for is just a pure damage boost for every spell authority have.

Which is the whole crux of the issue.

Hunter's market gets a boost from other class features because it's a level one spell that gets bad at tier 3.

class should really not spend it's resources to salvage 1st level spell into tier3, especially not a concentration spell

You are choosing to let every Ranger Spell get a damage buff irregardless of if it needs it or not. Swift quiver does not need advantage to all attacks plus an extra die of damage.

That's broken.

Your option has nothing to do with choice, It's purely about damage.

yes, it's very powerful with swift quiver, that is why capstone is still garbage tier.

 

[Minigiant]

class should really not spend it's resources to salvage 1st level spell into tier3, especially not a concentration spell

Why?

If Hunter's Mark is iconic, why not salvage it?

Can't you say the say for Rogues and Skills or Warlock's EB.

Even Paladin gets Divine Smite buffed via Improved Divine Smite.

Again it seems like you just want more strong spells in the Ranger list. And instead of asking for more spells, you just want to make the current spells OP.

 

[Horwath]

Why?

If Hunter's Mark is iconic, why not salvage it?

Because it's not iconic.

Can't you say the say for Rogues and Skills or Warlock's EB.

honestly everyone is bored with warlocks and EB, that is why now you got that you can apply cha bonus to any cantrip damage so we can get rid of it, atleast to a degree, it will still benefit the most out of new invocation variant.

skills are nothing special for rogue, just the fact that rogue gets most of then and better support. Reliable talent is rogue special, but it does not make rogue great with skills, just prevent it to being incompetent.

Even Paladin gets Divine Smite buffed via Improved Divine Smite.

that is not improvement on divine smite in anything but name.
it's just plain bonus to damage. It can be called "improved Fred", who cares, it's just plain damage boost. Honestly I would go with adding maybe some riders to paladins attacks, but hey, some want to keep it simple.

Again it seems like you just want more strong spells in the Ranger list. And instead of asking for more spells, you just want to make the current spells OP.

Nah, I just looking for a way to replace mandatory single concentration spell with anything else.
Hell, for that instance of spell prepared and 6 casting of it, 7 instances of extra skill or expertise would fit better.

13th level can be as ranger is extreme explorer, resistance to Cold and Fire with immunity at 17th level.

capstone can be whatever, being ranger capstone, we must make sure it's worse in the game.

 

[Minigiant]

Because it's not iconic

Not by the community.

WOTC did the polls.

honestly everyone is bored with warlocks and EB, that is why now you got that you can apply cha bonus to any cantrip damage so we can get rid of it, atleast to a degree, it will still benefit the most out of new invocation variant

Not by the community.

Agonizing blast boosts EV more than any other Cantrips. Every Warlock will use it on EB anyway.

skills are nothing special for rogue, just the fact that rogue gets most of then and better support. Reliable talent is rogue special, but it does not make rogue great with skills, just prevent it to being incompetent

EXACTLY

Precise Hunter and Relentless Hunter prevent Hunter's Mark from being incompetent.

that is not improvement on divine smite in anything but name.
it's just plain bonus to damage. It can be called "improved Fred", who cares, it's just plain damage boost. Honestly I would go with adding maybe some riders to paladins attacks, but hey, some want to keep it simple.

It is.

It boosts damage when damage boosts is needed. It raises paladin DPR.

Without it, going for damage after level 10 would be a poor choice for paladin outside of short adventure days.

Nah, I just looking for a way to replace mandatory single concentration spell with anything else.
Hell, for that instance of spell prepared and 6 casting of it, 7 instances of extra skill or expertise would fit better

Is it mandatory.

With the increased spells prepared, how many rangers are not picking Hunter's Mark.

Again the whole discussion seems to be about power and people wanting to warp the ranger around a short adventure day to let it burst down like a paladin.

People liked Favored for despite it being strictly inferior unless you ran a short day. It's less damage. It doesn't trigger multiple times. It doesn't bounce to new targets. It has few uses. But if you fight a single enemy 3 times a day, it's great as it doesn't take up your Bonus Action and your day will end by the time it runs out.

Why isn't anyone complaining about Divine Smite. What if I wanted more heals. Or 4e Devine Challenge. No one is complaining about that.

What about the Wizard high level features that boost low level spells. No one is complaining about high level features dedicated to low level spells there.

 

[TiQuinn]

Because it's not iconic.

I mean, it’s as iconic as a Cleric’s Channel Divinity, a Warlock’s Eldritch Blast, or a Paladin’s Smite at this point.

 

[Horwath]

It boosts damage when damage boosts is needed. It raises paladin DPR.

Without it, going for damage after level 10 would be a poor choice for paladin outside of short adventure days.

OK, then just give rangers +1d8 elemental damage at 11th level and be done with it.

Is it mandatory.

With the increased spells prepared, how many rangers are not picking Hunter's Mark.

Don't know.
I always replaced hunters mark at 5th level as there are better things to concentrate on.

Why isn't anyone complaining about Divine Smite. What if I wanted more heals. Or 4e Devine Challenge. No one is complaining about that.

because it's not concentration and you will crit sooner or later in a day and it's a nice feature to dump extra 4d8 damage on a critical hit and cleave someone in half.

What about the Wizard high level features that boost low level spells. No one is complaining about high level features dedicated to low level spells there.

this is the problem. you can PICK what spells you take with your high level wizard to fit your play style.
it's not, here is your Jump spell and you can cast it at-will. Thanks WotC for this, can I get expertise in Arcana instead?

 

[Horwath]

Not by the community.

Agonizing blast boosts EV more than any other Cantrips. Every Warlock will use it on EB anyway.

Honestly, I would be happy if they deleted EB from the game.
It's that omnipresent, mostly.

Last time I played warlock, I didn't even take it, I could not even hear myself saying; I cast EB.
Hexblade and improved pact weapon for Longbow did good enough job.

 

[mellored]

Can't you say the say for Rogues and Skills or Warlock's EB.

Even Paladin gets Divine Smite buffed via Improved Divine Smite.

Warlock can use Agonizing blast on other cantrips to do more than just damage. (Repelling ray of frost is strong).
Rogue can trade away sneak attack to do more than just damage.
Paladin can trade Divine Smite damage for Blinding Smite.

Ranger should also have a way to trade HM damage for other effects.

Though I do agree we don't want Ensnaring Strike concentration to be unbreakable.

 

[TiQuinn]

Ranger should also have a way to trade HM damage for other effects.

I agree with this and think that's a great way for other subclasses to differentiate it - again no different from Channel Divinity, or augment it with other effects, similar to Warlock and Eldritch Blast.

 

[CreamCloud0]

Honestly, I would be happy if they deleted EB from the game.
It's that omnipresent, mostly.

Last time I played warlock, I didn't even take it, I could not even hear myself saying; I cast EB.
Hexblade and improved pact weapon for Longbow did good enough job.

i understand why EB exists, cause with such limited pact slots they need a solid turn-to-turn option but yeah it's not that great a design for creating fun having such a standout choice, it could be really interesting if warlock instead maybe got a 3rd level feature that said 'increase the size of the damage die of all warlock cantrips you gain by one' and you'd have far more versatile choices to use(i count 13 on the warlock's list and that's not considering tomelock's access to 3 cantrips from any list), the only issue i see is toll the dead which can already go up to d12, maybe that gets to add PB instead?