D&D (2024) Ranger 2024 is a bigger joke than Ranger 2014:

The discussion is about the ranger and whether it could be improved or not. It's perfectly relevant.

If you are saying spells are ancillary to Ranger that must include Hunter's Mark since it is a spell!

You can't have it both ways - either Rangers are spell casters or they are not.
 

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Ah. So you want a classless system. Got it.

No I don't. I want to get rid of the Ranger class tie to Hunter's Mark.

If you want a martial nature warrior you can play a Barbarian or a Fighter and if you want it not to be a spell caster, either of these do it a LOT better than a Ranger.
 

1 - silent hunter - all ranger spells you cast have the verbal component removed and don't break your stealth when you cast them.

13 - focused hunter - damage does not threaten your concentration on ranger spells or abilities.

17 - lethal hunter - you can use your Concentration to Focus on a target you can see when you activate this ability as a free action, you have advantage on all damage rolls you deal against a Focused target, if you drop your Focus on a target you cannot Focus on them again for the rest of the combat.

20 - master hunter - when you use your Focus it targets all opponents you can see, you may drop and reapply Focus as many times as you like against a target during combat.
 
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No I don't. I want to get rid of the Ranger class tie to Hunter's Mark.

I don't understand what you consider a ranger to be and your confirmation that it applies across multiple classes certainly appears to fall in line with a classless system.
 

If you are saying spells are ancillary to Ranger that must include Hunter's Mark since it is a spell!

You can't have it both ways - either Rangers are spell casters or they are not.
Ancillary is a word that definitely describes how I can have it both ways. :)
 

No I don't. I want to get rid of the Ranger class tie to Hunter's Mark.

If you want a martial nature warrior you can play a Barbarian or a Fighter and if you want it not to be a spell caster, either of these do it a LOT better than a Ranger.
Like what?

Keeping bears from stealing picnicking baskets?
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I don't understand what you consider a ranger to be and your confirmation that it applies across multiple classes certainly appears to fall in line with a classless system.

I've posted what I understand it to be twice now.

I don't understand why you can't play a Fighter or Barbarian instead if you want a Nature Warrior.
 


I've posted what I understand it to be twice now.

I don't understand why you can't play a Fighter or Barbarian instead if you want a Nature Warrior.

I have no problem playing a Barbarian as a nature warrior if I want raging to be a part of that character. I have no problem playing a Druid either if I want to be a nature warrior who leans more heavily on spells. But ranger is a stealthy nature warrior who tracks people and monsters, and the class fits well for that.

But simply saying martial with spells and expertise just sends me down the road of a rogue or a bard, but that's apparently the wrong answer too, so I don't know.

Honestly, I think we've reached the point where we've come back around in a circle on this discussion with no new information being offered so ☮️
 


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