D&D (2024) Rogues can now Sneak Attack with all thrown weapons - Tridents, Spears, Handaxes, they all work!

[ECMO3]

So when he said that the distinction between a ranged weapon and melee weapon is under the headings, he was correct. The property is not what makes something melee or ranged.

It absolutely is. It is defined on page 214.

There's no reason to assume that just because the finesse property allows sneak attack, that the range(not ranged) property does as well. A melee weapon with the range property is still a melee weapon, not a ranged weapon.

Range Weapon is both defined and linked from the sneak attack section.

 

[ECMO3]

In order to sneak attack a weapon must either have the finesse PROPERTY or be in the ranged CATEGORY.

This is not RAW. There is no "category" required out in the rules.

To sneak attack "..... the attack uses a Finesse or a Ranged weapon."

and the second term is both linked from sneak attack and defined.

 

[Plaguescarred]

It's probably not the same IT guy that did the Archery feat because this one didn't get hyperlink shortcut to the wrong element.

Nor is the entry on Making an Attack when mentioning ''firing a Ranged weapon.''

 

[ECMO3]

The mistake you are making is in assuming that the link means all weapons with range can be used with sneak attack.

He is clicking in Sneak Attack.

That link can, would, and does lead there because ranged weapons and daggers use range, so of course it would go to that spot. That link does not equate to all weapons with the range property being usable for sneak attack, though.

No in context it is specifically defining what weapons are used with Sneak Attack (as it is with Finnesse two words to the right).

And even if this was not the case you have the actual wording stating what a "Range Weapon" is.

Do you have any wording stating that a thrown weapon is not a Ranged Weapon?

 

[ECMO3]

No man. This is the finesse property you click on.

Correction:
Indeed in the book itself in the source section it does. In the games rules section under classes however it does not. I was looking there.

So this must be a mistake in one place.

I am 100% sure the PHB section has it wrong.

Until it is fixed it still has it and it is RAW.

You can play how you want.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Until it is fixed it still has it and it is RAW.

Nope. This what you just imagine.

You can play how you want.

I do. I just make clear that you are twisting facts.

But I don't attribute malice to it.

 

[ECMO3]

They are! The site design on DnDBeyond is EXTREMELY misleading here.

By the book (not figuratively, literally: according to the 2024 Player's Handbook printed book), things are quite simple: you sneak attack with Ranged or Finesse weapons, and range is another thing.

Ok but a range weapon includes any weapon with a range in parentheses after the Thrown property.

That is what the book says literally and it never says anywhere that such weapons (like axes, spears etc) are not Ranged Weapons.

But people who find the 2024 rules on DnDBeyond, and naturally click on the "Ranged" link, and arrive at the wrong definition due to to crappy site design, will very reasonably reach the wrong conclusion. This is entirely the site's fault!

It may not be intended but it is what is in both the PHB and the Free Rules right now and therefore is RAW right now.

 

[Mistwell]

No thank you.
Not if you can't read or look at screenshots. Or do your research correctly. I laid it out for you.

Nope.

If you do research, why not follow the instructions I gave you before making a fool of yourself?

Sorry. Not accepted. Until you just follow my links and note that you are still doing the same mistake.
Does not paint you in a good light.

I blame you for nor even trying. Follow the links. No app. Just with a phone on the website. But clearly the correct rogue.

Did you look at my screenshot at all?
That was not in the 2014 section.
I probably really have to do a video for you.

Lets try it with links first.

https://www.dndbeyond.com/classes

https://www.dndbeyond.com/classes/2190883-rogue

Scroll down to sneak attack.

Fascinating. You're linking to some version of the free basic rules. I am linking to the paid book rules. And they're different. Though they should not be different. It's almost, but not entirely, the same text. All the "Level" text is gone in your version. Many of the hyperlinks are gone. but not all. It's as if they literally rebuilt an entire different system for the free versus paid version rather than having an overlay.

Well, I apologize. You're right, your link says what you say it does, which appears to be the 2024 free rules duplicating the section of the 2014 rules. The paid version is in fact different, and that's all I see unless I go out of the system and go through your link to the free version.

 

[ECMO3]

The wrong link to the range property is in the section of the digital version of the PHB2024. Someone at DndBeyond messed it up there. Probably a different person than the one doing the class section.

And the digital version of the free rules and there is no other definition of Ranged weapon that would be better to apply for Sneak Attack

 

[Plaguescarred]

The quoted rule below doesn't mean that any weapon used to attack at a greater distance is a Ranged weapon or any weapon used to attack a target within 5 feet is a Melee weapon. It instead explain what weapon classified in this category is used for.

Melee or Ranged. A weapon is classified as either Melee or Ranged. A Melee weapon is used to attack a target within 5 feet, whereas a Ranged weapon is used to attack at a greater distance.