D&D (2024) +Caster Single Target Damage+

[Horwath]

I like it early. Later it falls off a bit since damage scales with str and # uses scale with wisdom. Especially since true strike or sholeleagh is soo easy to get.

You can get 3 attacks just by TWF, nick and dual wielder feat. I think blade singer has to have a free hand for his extra attack.

that is only for Bladesinging, and it says that it ends early if you make attack with A weapon with two hands. Does that apply only for 2Handers or does it apply to two different 1Handed weapon, as in, in no moment do you have both hands on A same weapon.
Ah, english language is so fun...

That said, the ac and concentration are good. And there’s not a particularly better melee oriented wizard.

 

[Horwath]

I don’t think you are reading raw correctly. Replace the first attack with bladesinger and replace the 2nd with value bard. Each feature has only replaced 1 of the attacks.

Maybe that wouldn’t be RAI, but I don’t see the case it’s not raw.

both say; replace one of your attacks with a cantrip. key word is ONE, not 1st or 2nd attack. ONE of how many you got. If you are 11th level fighter by chance also.

 

[FrogReaver]

that is only for Bladesinging, and it says that it ends early if you make attack with A weapon with two hands. Does that apply only for 2Handers or does it apply to two different 1Handed weapon, as in, in no moment do you have both hands on A same weapon.
Ah, english language is so fun...

I was thinking of blade singing. Forgot you didn’t have to be doing that for his extra attack. I don’t put much stock in the 2 one handed melee interpretation you mentioned. I’m happy to be wrong.

 

[FrogReaver]

both say; replace one of your attacks with a cantrip. key word is ONE, not 1st or 2nd attack. ONE of how many you got. If you are 11th level fighter by chance also.

Right. Each feature is replacing one of the 2 different the attacks. 1+1=2.

 

[Horwath]

I don’t put much stock in the 2 one handed melee interpretation you mentioned. I’m happy to be wrong.

yeah, more I read that feature, more I thing about Bill Clinton and; What is the definition of "is".

 

[mellored]

both say, you can replace one of those attacks

Bladesinger lets you replace one
Valor lets you replace one

If you had 2 features that said "once per turn when you hit you can add damage", would you only be able to use one of them?

Limited to 4th level spells?

CME is a 4th level spell.

Wizard, Sorcerer, Bard, and 2 of the 3 Paladin levels adds to the slot level.

why not have 3 attacks that can be replaced 2 of those for 2 cantrips?

How are you getting 3 attacks and replacing 2?

Valor and Bladesinger only work on the Attack action.

Or do you mean with Boots of Haste. That stacks with anything.

 

[mellored]

You can get 3 attacks just by TWF, nick and dual wielder feat. I think blade singer has to have a free hand for his extra attack.

Quicken or those bracers give a much better use of your bonus action than Dual Wielder.

That said, the ac and concentration are good. And there’s not a particularly better melee oriented wizard.

Blade song stacks with Moon Druid, which doesn't end unless you make a 2-handed weapon attack.
Add in Warcaster and you have.

Proficiency+Con+Wis+Int+Advantage to your concentration checks.

Not sure what the total would be (Headband of Intellect?) but maybe ~20+Advantage vs a maximum DC of 30 isn't bad.

Any other way to boost Concentration checks?

 

[mellored]

Paladin 6 / Moon Druid 6 / Bladesinger 3 + Warcaster.

Proficiency + Con + Cha + Wis + Int + Advantage to concentration checks.

 

[ECMO3]

I see no reason to spend the feat on Magic Initiate, when you can just be an Elf (High) and retrain the cantrip to be True Strike. That allows you to pick another feat that can help DPR like Lucky or Musician for advantage/re-rolls on attacks.

Aside from not wanting to play a High Elf, on a full caster like a Cleric or Druid the Shield spell you also get with Magic Initiate is a pretty good reason.

 

[ECMO3]

Paladin 6 / Moon Druid 6 / Bladesinger 3 + Warcaster.

Proficiency + Con + Cha + Wis + Int + Advantage to concentration checks.

Meh. I think a single class 15th level Bladesinger with a 10 Constitution would destroy such a character and would do so whether you wanted to fight with leveled spells or with weapons.

I think both the need for a high Constitution generally and the need for a good Concentration save on a caster are way overrated.