D&D General Greyhawk Humanocentricism?

[Zardnaar]

I don't see a difference between golems and warforged, save that the warforged is sentient, but there are sentient magic items in Greyhawk too.

It's not that sonething like that can't exist but should PCs be allowed to play it.

It's also a spotlight race from another setting. Basically I understand if a DM excludes them and don't care to much if they include them.

If you want a race to "get over" you add a few to a new setting vs everything.

Same theory with a PHB. Goliath will likely be a lot more popular in the coming years.

 

[Voadam]

I don't see a difference between golems and warforged, save that the warforged is sentient, but there are sentient magic items in Greyhawk too.

While it is easy to reskin warforged as wholly inorganic clockworks or robots or animated dolls the actual warforged are alchemically infused plants with an inorganic skeletal structure and metal plates bolted onto the outside.

From the 5e Eberron Rising From the Last War page 35:

Warforged are formed from a blend of organic and inorganic materials. Root-like cords infused with alchemical fluids serve as their muscles, wrapped around a framework of steel, darkwood, or stone. Armored plates form a protective outer shell and reinforce joints.

You can see this underlying plant portion in most pictures of them.

In prior editions they were living constructs with special rules about what affected them as living things and what affected them as constructs and what did not for both categories.

For insertion into Greyhawk you would have to decide whether to keep them classic plants or reskin them.

 

[CreamCloud0]

While it is easy to reskin warforged as wholly inorganic clockworks or robots or animated dolls the actual warforged are alchemically infused plants with an inorganic skeletal structure and metal plates bolted onto the outside.

From the 5e Eberron Rising From the Last War page 35:

Warforged are formed from a blend of organic and inorganic materials. Root-like cords infused with alchemical fluids serve as their muscles, wrapped around a framework of steel, darkwood, or stone. Armored plates form a protective outer shell and reinforce joints.

You can see this underlying plant portion in most pictures of them.

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In prior editions they were living constructs with special rules about what affected them as living things and what affected them as constructs and what did not for both categories.

For insertion into Greyhawk you would have to decide whether to keep them classic plants or reskin them.

there's so much magic species origins nonsense around i don't really ever get why warforged are a sticking point for so many people, plus the 'artificial being' is a popular archetype.

 

[Zeromaru X]

While it is easy to reskin warforged as wholly inorganic clockworks or robots or animated dolls the actual warforged are alchemically infused plants with an inorganic skeletal structure and metal plates bolted onto the outside.

So, they are like flesh golems, but made of wood instead of flesh. It's not so hard. Plus, with all the war tensions in Greyhawk, automatons created as soldiers for potential war is something I see that could happen and is within the logic of the setting.

I'm not saying that there should be warforged in Greyhawk, however. They are not in the PHB, so they are truly optional to add at the DM's leisure - unlike dragonborn and tieflings, that are in the PHB, and thus need a place to come from. I'm just saying that warforged are not so out of place in Greyhawk.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

So, they are like flesh golems, but made of wood instead of flesh. It's not so hard. Plus, with all the war tensions in Greyhawk, automatons created as soldiers for potential war is something I see that could happen and is within the logic of the setting.

I'm not saying that there should be warforged in Greyhawk, however. They are not in the PHB, so they are truly optional to add at the DM's leisure - unlike dragonborn and tieflings, that are in the PHB, and thus need a place to come from. I'm just saying that warforged are not so out of place in Greyhawk.

Don't forget that Greyhawk includes the Machine of Lum the Mad ... and the Mighty Servant of Leuk-O!

If nothing else, there is certainly a precedent for having something like warforged.

 

[Zardnaar]

Don't forget that Greyhawk includes the Machine of Lum the Mad ... and the Mighty Servant of Leuk-O!

If nothing else, there is certainly a precedent for having something like warforged.

DM stuff though.

It's not so much can you add it but should you. Big difference between something you face once or tanking around every day.

Dome stuff is a bit mire organic to fit in eg Tieflings, Gith etc.

 

[Micah Sweet]

It's not that sonething like that can't exist but should PCs be allowed to play it.

It's also a spotlight race from another setting. Basically I understand if a DM excludes them and don't care to much if they include them.

If you want a race to "get over" you add a few to a new setting vs everything.

Same theory with a PHB. Goliath will likely be a lot more popular in the coming years.

I love robots, but I've never been all that enamored of the warforged interpretation. Visually they kind if bug me, and their story is pretty setting specific. I'm not a fan of them as the representative "created" species.

 

[Zardnaar]

I love robots, but I've never been all that enamored of the warforged interpretation. Visually they kind if bug me, and their story is pretty setting specific. I'm not a fan of them as the representative "created" species.

Fair enough. I'm not a fan of WAR or the genre.

3.5 and 5E Eberron were very well done though. Not quite my thing but almost converted me.

Not a bug Dan of mixing genres though so no warforged in Darksun, FR probably/maybe.

I would at least try and fit them in organically. That goes for anything new added to an old setting.

Mystara has a lot of room for new anthromorphic races for example.

 

[MGibster]

there's so much magic species origins nonsense around i don't really ever get why warforged are a sticking point for so many people, plus the 'artificial being' is a popular archetype.

It's just preference. I just thought of 2-3 ways to introduce warforged to Greyhawk but I just don't want to do it. I even like the warforged, I just don't need them in every setting.

 

[Remathilis]

Absolutely. I don't know why they changed it.

SIWDCCh makes sense when you roll in order since it takes the prime requisites for the major classes (fighter, mage, cleric, thief) and makes you check for those first, then Con and Cha act as secondary stats. SDCIWCh puts physical first and mental second and is better suited for assigning scores. The only one that hurt was 4e's SCDIWCh, which makes sense (grouping them in pairs based on save) but was so close to the other setup I could never read it right.