Elon Musk Calls for Wizards of the Coast to "Burn in Hell" Over Making of Original D&D Passages

Status
Not open for further replies.
elon musk.png


Elon Musk, the owner of the app formerly known as Twitter, is calling on Wizards of the Coast and its parent company Hasbro to "burn in hell" for the publication of Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons. On November 21st, former gaming executive turned culture warrior Mark Hern posted several passages from Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons on Twitter, criticizing the book for providing context about some of the misogyny and cultural insensitivity found in early rulebooks. These passages were pulled from the foreword written by Jason Tondro, a senior designer for the D&D team who also worked extensively on the book. Hern stated that these passages, along with the release of the new 2024 Player's Handbook and Dungeon Master's Guide for D&D's "40th anniversary" (it is actually D&D's 50th anniversary) both "erased and slandered" Gary Gygax and other creators of Dungeons & Dragons.

In response, Musk wrote "Nobody, and I mean nobody, gets to trash E. Gary Gygax and the geniuses who created Dungeons & Dragons. What the [naughty word] is wrong with Hasbro and WoTC?? May they burn in hell." Musk had played Dungeons & Dragons at some point in his youth, but it's unclear when the last time he ever played the game.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, gets to trash E. Gary Gygax and the geniuses who created Dungeons & Dragons. What the [xxxx] is wrong with Hasbro and WoTC?? May they burn in hell.
- Elon Musk​

Notably, Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons contains countless correspondences and letters written by both Gygax and Dave Arneson, including annotated copies of early D&D rulesets. Most early D&D rules supplements as well as early Dragon magazines are also found in the book. It seems odd to contain one of the most extensive compliations of Gygax's work an "erasure," but it's unclear whether Hern or Musk actually read the book given the incorrect information about the anniversary.

Additionally, Gygax and Arneson are both credited in the 2024 Player's Handbook and Dungeon Master's Guide. The exact credit reads: "Building on the original game created by Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson and then developed by many others over the past 50 years." Wizards of the Coast also regularly collaborates with Gygax's youngest son Luke and is a participant at Gary Con, a convention held in Gygax's honor. The opening paragraph of the 2024 Player's Handbook is written by Jeremy Crawford and specifically lauds both Gygax and Arneson for making Dungeons & Dragons and contains an anecdote about Crawford meeting Gygax.

Musk has increasingly leaned into culture war controversies in recent years, usually amplifying misinformation to suit his own political agenda.
 

log in or register to remove this ad

Christian Hoffer

Christian Hoffer


log in or register to remove this ad




Minimizing sexist or bigoted speech and behavior serves no ends, save sexism and bigotry. There is ample evidence of this, in our hobby and elsewhere.

I can go with this as long as it’s also agreed that questioning whether something is actually sexist or bigoted, or introducing context around that something isn’t about minimizing it but about getting to the truth.

I see intense pushback anytime this occurs, and even worse if someone legitimately views the same facts and reaches a different conclusion.

And yes, I think doing these things serve to create a kind of ‘boy crying wolf’ reaction to other claims if sexism and bigotry. If one can’t trust your assessment this time, it makes it harder to take at face value your assessment of this at other times.
 

And which has been discussed more? Elon or the Harlot table? I'm sure there must be other examples of Elon's sexism, but that doesn't get that fan base as riled up as what a dead man said 40 years ago.
I mentioned the harlot table once and you never responded.

And let me ask you this: What topic was Musk talking about that is the topic of this thread? Was it about his own sexism? Is that what the discussion about? Or was it about him squawking about a months-old 'controversy' about a history book discussing history in a truthful manner that he doesn't like.
 

Sacred was too strong a word. I agree. I was having trouble expressing myself precisely. I simply meant I feel the kinds of critiques found in the foreword are generally assumed to be true and when you push back on them the reaction sometimes feels out of proportion. Admittedly things are getting better I think. But it is very easy to get labeled toxic, problematic, or worse for simply disagreeing with how language in media ought to be judged and evaluated.
You say « the kinds of critiques found in the foreward ». What about the actual wording in the actual foreward being discussed? Do you think it went too far? If so, what parts specifically?

Because, like with your claims about posts « demonizing » Gary Gygax, it feels like you are being purposely vague.
 


You say « the kinds of critiques found in the foreward ». What about the actual wording in the actual foreward being discussed? Do you think it went too far? If so, what parts specifically?

Because, like with your claims about posts « demonizing » Gary Gygax, it feels like you are being purposely vague.
foreward!!! lolomgbbq good sir. New to the thread? :)
 


Status
Not open for further replies.
Remove ads

Remove ads

Top