Corinnguard
Hero
Or a Half-Green Dire Skunk? Any way you look at, everyone still will have to make a CON save or die from its' flatulence.
Dragon design before the 2024 M&M was a lot better.
D&D (2024) Its till just me or is the 2024 MM heavily infused by more 4e influences?
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Zardnaar
Legend
Or a Half-Green Dire Skunk? Any way you look at, everyone still will have to make a CON save or die from its' flatulence.
Dragon design before the 2024 M&M was a lot better.
Dragons sucked in 2014. Maybe they're inspired by the even worse ones in 4E?
Convert 3.5 ones to 5E probably ramping up the hp?
Only way I've made them work is lair designs maximizing movement so they can't get hit in melee.
Corinnguard
Hero
In terms of stats, appearance or both? I was agreeing with @UngeheuerLich about their looks in the 2024 M&M. They really didn't need a physical make-over.
Zardnaar
Legend
Your dragon design was about the art? Deep ignore that.
Corinnguard
Hero
Pretty much.
Zardnaar
Legend
Derp derp I blame the French. It's late here almost bed time.
Corinnguard
Hero
Before their looks were redesigned for the 2024 M&M, they were pretty consistent from 3e to 5e.
EzekielRaiden
Follower of the Way
The funny thing for me is, I don't mind in principle many of the changes. I just find that a lot of them went overboard, or went REALLY hardcore for the few things I actually dislike. The Gold Dragon is probably the most conspicuous example; I don't mind a long noodly dragon, I don't mind wings that bring to mind fins, nor the "frill that runs the whole body length" thing.
I do mind the ridiculous "looks like a sword when stretched out straight" thing (who is ever going to see this?! Why would dragons look like that?!), and the incredibly stumpy wings that Gold dragons got. (I also dislike the Black Dragon...but only because those wings are straight-up nightmare fuel for anyone with arachnophobia, such as yours truly.) Some of the designs are quite smart, though personally I think they erred greatly by putting what is clearly copper patina on the Bronze Dragon, but that's a pretty minor complaint.
Like, I get that they wanted a new look, and that gold dragons in prior eras have looked different compared to other dragons. I just don't understand why the wings had to be so stunted. Why not have them be....y'know, grand? Something that actually befits the power and majesty of such a creature, as opposed to something that doesn't even look like it would be useful for gliding, let alone flying.
Corinnguard
Hero
I don't get why the 2024 designers felt the need to make the Gold Dragon look like an Asian dragon. It's supposed to be a Western Dragon, not an Eastern one. I was okay with their fin-like wings and body-length frill since the Brass Dragon had a similar wing feature.
The Black Dragon's new looks ought to earn it the title of Nightmare Dragon. The skull-like face and the spider-like wings are meant to evoke more fear than mere Draconic Presence alone. I dislike the Blue Dragon's new looks. I liked the large horn sitting on top of its' snout and the frilled 'ears' of the original. As for my favorite, the Bronze Dragon, the copper patina and the white underbelly give them a rather koi-like appearance. Was WoTC still concerned about the players confusing a Brass Dragon for a Bronze?
UngeheuerLich
Legend
That is not what I said.Or a Half-Green Dire Skunk? Any way you look at, everyone still will have to make a CON save or die from its' flatulence.
Dragon design before the 2024 M&M was a lot better.
I said the 4e dragons in 4e looked all alike.
I like the 2025 MM design way more.
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