D&D 5E Don't Throw 5e Away Because of Hasbro

[TheSword]

You have my full agreement. Another problem is when people present their opinions ask facts and just assume people will understand that it´s just opinion. Like you said, nuance. It really is a lost artform, and as most of us are not mind readers in real life this goes double on the internet.

Now this thread is so far off topic that I should really have known to just stay away.

I’m sorry but whether something is important or not is always going to be a matter of opinion.

The idea that the people attacking WotC are displaying nuance is frankly mind boggling. There is little evidence of attempts to understand or give the benefit of the doubt in the statements involved. [Thats also my opinion just in case it wasn’t clear]

I’m the final arbiter of my opinion. That’s all. But I am allowed to posit something and explain why I think that it is the case.

 

[Kromanjon]

I’m sorry but whether something is important or not is always going to be a matter of opinion.

The idea that the people attacking WotC are displaying nuance is frankly mind boggling. There is little evidence of attempts to understand or give the benefit of the doubt in the statements involved. [Thats also my opinion just in case it wasn’t clear]

I’m the final arbiter of my opinion. That’s all. But I am allowed to posit something and explain why I think that it is the case.

Some people are displaying nuance and some are not. This is in no way related to their opinions. Like I said, this is far from the topic right now but I do feel that you´re consistently using aggressive rhetoric that can easily be misinterpreted. You might state your opinion but you have often done it in a way that suggests no other opinions are valid. If this isn´t your intent it might be something to consider to avoid getting in unnecessary arguments that only derail the conversation. I will leave this conversation now since I´m, sadly, not really adding anything of value to it. I hope you have a continued pleasant day.

 

[mamba]

The idea that the people attacking WotC are displaying nuance is frankly mind boggling.

the idea that those who defend WotC’s every move and say that they did nothing even slightly objectionable in the last two years show nuance isn’t any better…

 

[Belen]

I think it is important for people to reach their own informed conclusions.

There’s a hell of a lot of misinformation out there these days.

I am tired of the term "misinformation" just as I got tired of the term "my truth" and it is often the same people using the terms.

Two people often often draw different conclusions from the same facts or view events through different lens or experiences. People can watch the same live video and reach different conclusions on what they saw.

Thus, communication between people to reach a consensus is key outside of hard items like math and scientists and mathematicians disagree about math and science quite a bit too.

Thus, people may very well be making informed yet flawed decisions and the flaw often starts with lack of communication and not being open to building a consensus.

 

[AlViking]

I am tired of the term "misinformation" just as I got tired of the term "my truth" and it is often the same people using the terms.

Two people often often draw different conclusions from the same facts or view events through different lens or experiences. People can watch the same live video and reach different conclusions on what they saw.

Thus, communication between people to reach a consensus is key outside of hard items like math and scientists and mathematicians disagree about math and science quite a bit too.

Thus, people may very well be making informed yet flawed decisions and the flaw often starts with lack of communication and not being open to building a consensus.

There's also the influence of podcasts that search for outrage to fuel clicks. Some sites repeatedly exaggerate stories making huge issues out of small issues. Take the pinkertons story that I mentioned earlier. Yes, hasbro used a security company to track down what they considered stolen goods. I don't do mtg so I don't know how important an early release of cards is, but apparently it was important enough to pay someone to hunt it down. How else do people expect them to handle something like this other than to hire a company that does this kind of stuff? Then listening to the actual two podcasts where the guy talks about it he says in the second one that the issue has been blown out of proportion. Yet people still talk about it almost as if the guy was dodging bullets and had to flee to Mexico for fear of his life.

The influence of the negativity echo chamber is strong people get more views with telling stories about how bad wizards is than talking about how fun and enjoyable the game is for a whole lot of people. So I understand the pushback against that negativity when it would be nice to just talk about how to make our games even more fun and reminisce about great moments we have. Even if the corporation that publishes the core books is not perfect.

 

[Bae'zel]

DELETED: we've gone into this tangent for long enough.

 

[Velderan]

So about that OP...

Anyone currently running 5e without any WotC products? How's the experience?

Playing with just the SRD? How does that work out?

 

[Belen]

There's also the influence of podcasts that search for outrage to fuel clicks. Some sites repeatedly exaggerate stories making huge issues out of small issues. Take the pinkertons story that I mentioned earlier. Yes, hasbro used a security company to track down what they considered stolen goods. I don't do mtg so I don't know how important an early release of cards is, but apparently it was important enough to pay someone to hunt it down. How else do people expect them to handle something like this other than to hire a company that does this kind of stuff? Then listening to the actual two podcasts where the guy talks about it he says in the second one that the issue has been blown out of proportion. Yet people still talk about it almost as if the guy was dodging bullets and had to flee to Mexico for fear of his life.

The influence of the negativity echo chamber is strong people get more views with telling stories about how bad wizards is than talking about how fun and enjoyable the game is for a whole lot of people. So I understand the pushback against that negativity when it would be nice to just talk about how to make our games even more fun and reminisce about great moments we have. Even if the corporation that publishes the core books is not perfect.

Well, the point of the thread seems to be "don't let Hasbro affect whether you play 5e."

Hasbro's actions only affect whether I play 5e when considering content. For instance, I will continue to play 5.0. I will not adopt 5.5. So WOTC's design decisions affect whether I play their current version of 5e. I make my own decisions on what I choose to run.

I left D&D entirely when 4e dropped and moved to PF1e. I dropped PF1e due to crunch burnout and adopted 5e much later.

The answer to the threads overall question is that antics outside of design or DDB decisions will not affect 5e for me. I will continue to use the product as long as I deem it worthy of my time.

I know many people have different views and that is ok. If the corporate practices make it unworthy of their time and money, then fine. This is ok too.

If they are influenced by bad actors, then I will feel free to disagree with them. I do think too many people are choosing to get their "facts" from their tribe or trusted social network without ever forming their own opinion. That is a choice. A bad choice as I believe that folks should always question even their own beliefs at all times and be open to being wrong but it seems that a lot of folks are choosing that path because it is easier.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

Between the OGL disaster, which sucks since I'm an OGL/OSR referee, and 5e itself I think we have the perfect storm that makes me mostly uninterested in what the official D&D game is doing these days. Which in one sense is kind of a bummer but its been that way since 4e so I'm used to it. And there is such a thriving OSR scene.

 

[Bae'zel]

So about that OP...

Anyone currently running 5e without any WotC products? How's the experience?

Playing with just the SRD? How does that work out?

A couple of years ago, I ran a campaign entirely using Cubicle 7s Adventures in Middle Earth. Never once referenced a WotC book. It worked splendidly. Better, even, than my typical 5e campaigns, actually...