General star wars talk/discussion/complaining

[Bedrockgames]

This is exactly what it felt like to me... but not 'they'. The directors themselves pitted themselves against each other. They both tried to minimize the others' effects and bring it back to their line of thinking, making the whole thing incoherent.

Sure but Disney was in charge. They could have put an end to that pretty quickly

 

[Bedrockgames]

Exactly! I like both TFA and TLJ as standalone films, but they really don't work well as a continuous story. I can watch ROS, and I appreciate certain ideas in it, but yeah ... for instance, I really like the idea that the Sith's Rule of Two was all about passing on "all of the Sith" from master to apprentice by encouraging the latter to murder the former.

RoS, when I reflect on it, just felt like total chaos. It was more like a ride than a movie

 

[pukunui]

RoS, when I reflect on it, just felt like total chaos. It was more like a ride than a movie

It certainly didn't help that Disnsey had planned to make Leia a more central character in RoS only for Carrie to die unexpectedly. We can but hope that it would've resulted in a better, more coherent film had Carrie lived.

 

[payn]

I will maintain that for all of RoS's faults, the astral projection lightsaber battle was rad as hell

I wish they leaned more into the astral projection stuff. While I didnt think much of TLJ, I thought the Luke projection scene was rad.

 

[payn]

RoS, when I reflect on it, just felt like total chaos. It was more like a ride than a movie

Hi, welcome to JJ Abrams school of film.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Hi, welcome to JJ Abrams school of film.

Regarding Henry really mislead my expectations

 

[beta-ray]

I just want Jedi to mostly be good and smart. I miss those days.

When exactly were those days?

I think it was mostly in our heads. Ben was doing the Jedi Mind Trick on the audience.

The closest you probably get on screen is The Clone Wars where they were mostly good, but there were a lot of bad ones, and were being manipulated a lot by Palpatine.

The High Republic tried to show the Jedi in a better place but there was conflict and some failure there too.

 

[Zaukrie]

When exactly were those days?

I think it was mostly in our heads. Ben was doing the Jedi Mind Trick on the audience.

The closest you probably get on screen is The Clone Wars where they were mostly good, but there were a lot of bad ones, and were being manipulated a lot by Palpatine.

The High Republic tried to show the Jedi in a better place but there was conflict and some failure there too.

It's certainly possible we were wish casting..... failure while trying to do the right things is ok..... Especially if you are smart. The Jedi have mostly been kind of not good at their jobs in almost every show now. I realize my expectations are not in line with what we've received, but I was asked what I wanted....

 

[Deset Gled]

The closest you probably get on screen is The Clone Wars where they were mostly good, but there were a lot of bad ones, and were being manipulated a lot by Palpatine.

The whole Jedi Order was Evil (capital E) in the prequels. The basis for the trilogy was that they were a corrupt theocracy that intentionally undermined the democratic government by enforcing religious rule and influence over the senate while outright refusing any outside monitoring. Even before any war, they gave their soldiers license to kill with impunity, with zero regard to any form of law enforcement or justice. They controlled the information they allowed the public to know, by manipulating everything from maps to media. They brainwashed their members from a young age and raised child soldiers. They participated in slave trade.

Palpatine? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

 

[pukunui]

When exactly were those days?

I think @Gradine made a good point upthread in that individual Jedi can be good, smart heroes. Think Luke, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Kanan Jarus, Ezra, Ahsoka, and so on.

It's the Jedi Order that's the problem. And yes, maybe some of it was in our heads. When all we had was the OG trilogy, we had to imagine what the Jedi Order was like because it no longer existed.

But then Lucas showed us what the Jedi Order was like in the prequels and the Clone Wars cartoon. Suddenly we were faced with an institution that took babies from their parents to indoctrinate them in a "no attachments" philosophy. An institution that had become hopelessly entangled within the Republic's political morass as its official peacekeepers and eventually army generals.

Armed with this new information, people began evaluating and deconstructing the myths we had built up when all we had was the OG trilogy.

I suspect that when some people say they miss the "good old days", they are referring to the pre-prequel days when people didn't question the assumption that "Jedi = good, Sith = bad".

There's probably also an element of "I miss the days of my youth when everything was more black-and-white. I don't like the shades of grey that come with adulthood."