General star wars talk/discussion/complaining

[GreyLord]

Yes, I'd rather they not pull a George Lucas and continually fiddle with stuff. Just accept it and move on. Reboots and revisions are a doddle.

The thing is, they are not going to win those they lost with their current canon. If they get rid of the troublesome trilogy, they may have a chance to.

It's like the what they did with 4e in the Forgotten Realms.

Did it really happen? Are they still adhering to it. Or did it just...disappear because they don't even mention it anymore...and some of the stuff they do mention is actually the exact opposite of what happened?

There are several ways they could go about this. Declare a new canon based on the Old EU, a new canon based on the original Trilogy, or myriads of other ways.

It's happened with other canon's companies have changed and people hated or were divisive. To get those who left back, you have to make things better or repair the damage done.

Unfortunately, I don't see Disney doing that and the longer they stick with this type of stuff the more fans they lose over the long run.

 

[Bedrockgames]

The thing is, they are not going to win those they lost with their current canon. If they get rid of the troublesome trilogy, they may have a chance to.

It's like the what they did with 4e in the Forgotten Realms.

Did it really happen? Are they still adhering to it. Or did it just...disappear because they don't even mention it anymore...and some of the stuff they do mention is actually the exact opposite of what happened?

There are several ways they could go about this. Declare a new canon based on the Old EU, a new canon based on the original Trilogy, or myriads of other ways.

It's happened with other canon's companies have changed and people hated or were divisive. To get those who left back, you have to make things better or repair the damage done.

Unfortunately, I don't see Disney doing that and the longer they stick with this type of stuff the more fans they lose over the long run.

Honestly I don’t think it would be that hard. Part of the problem to me seems to be they have been relying on fan division in their marketing and in the development of material. I think instead of catering to old fans or to new ones, if they just tried to make something that borough both groups together around the things they like about Star Wars, you could have a movie or show that would land and not get bogged down in the divide. You will never please everyone, but I think you could please a lot of people that way

 

[MGibster]

This is exactly what it felt like to me... but not 'they'. The directors themselves pitted themselves against each other. They both tried to minimize the others' effects and bring it back to their line of thinking, making the whole thing incoherent.

And this is why the sequel trilogy made me appreciate the prequel. The prequels at least told a coherent story.

There's probably also an element of "I miss the days of my youth when everything was more black-and-white. I don't like the shades of grey that come with adulthood."

I don't really like it in Star Wars, leave that to Star Trek and it's Section 31. The original trilogy was a love letter to old serials they showed before the main feature when you went to the movie theater. These serials featured hokey dialogue and simplistic stories even kids could follow. The only thing Star Wars did differently was have great special effects.

 

[MGibster]

I will say there is one scene in all of Star Wars canon that I found absolutely horrifying. In the Andor series, when they learn that once their sentence is completed they're not going to be released. No matter the sentence, they've been imprisoned for life. And the reason it's so horrifying is because it seems real in a way that a planet busting super station or a prune shooting lighting out of his hands does not. It's not comic book evil it's just evil.

 

[pukunui]

I don't really like it in Star Wars, leave that to Star Trek and it's Section 31.

Section 31 is an abomination. That sort of morally grey cynicism has no place in Star Trek either!

The thing is, they are not going to win those they lost with their current canon. If they get rid of the troublesome trilogy, they may have a chance to.

It's like the what they did with 4e in the Forgotten Realms.

Did it really happen? Are they still adhering to it. Or did it just...disappear because they don't even mention it anymore...and some of the stuff they do mention is actually the exact opposite of what happened?

There are several ways they could go about this. Declare a new canon based on the Old EU, a new canon based on the original Trilogy, or myriads of other ways.

It's happened with other canon's companies have changed and people hated or were divisive. To get those who left back, you have to make things better or repair the damage done.

Unfortunately, I don't see Disney doing that and the longer they stick with this type of stuff the more fans they lose over the long run.

Do we want / need those fans back? A lot of them are toxic. They can stay away for all I care.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Do we want / need those fans back? A lot of them are toxic. They can stay away for all I care.

It is very easy to dismiss people on either side. I think you have two camps who utterly hate each other and dehumanize each other and that isn't healthy at all

 

[pukunui]

It is very easy to dismiss people on either side. I think you have two camps who utterly hate each other and dehumanize each other and that isn't healthy at all

I’m talking about the people who hated on Finn and Rose (and on the non-white cast of The Acolyte). They can take their racism and sexism elsewhere.

That’s not being dismissive.

 

[Micah Sweet]

I’m talking about the people who hated on Finn and Rose (and on the non-white cast of The Acolyte). They can take their racism and sexism elsewhere.

That’s not being dismissive.

Granted. But there are other complaints about those films one can make that aren't about racism or sexism.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

The thing is, they are not going to win those they lost with their current canon.

The folks whom they truly lost with the sequel trilogy -- as in, they're not buying new Star Wars stuff, not subscribing to Disney+, not going on Star Wars rides at Disneyland -- is exceptionally small. They're just really noisy. (And a lot of those noisy people are fibbing about boycotting all Star Wars stuff.)

The same argument was made about the prequels and now, the kids who grew up with those are in full "the prequels weren't bad, actually" mode.

The same thing will happen with the sequel trilogy. And if a few people the age of those fans' grandparents don't like it, Disney isn't going to be losing a ton of sleep over it.

I watched Star Wars 24 times the year it came out at my local Army base movie theater, which showed nothing but, and am firmly in the Han shot first camp. But insisting that Disney rolls back movies someone didn't like is a losing game. If they didn't do it for the Alien franchise -- which has fewer films and a much smaller constituency that would be upset if some of the sequels were shot into the sun -- they're not doing it for Star Wars.

 

[pukunui]

Granted. But there are other complaints about those films one can make that aren't about racism or sexism.

And that’s fine. I wouldn’t necessarily call those people toxic.