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[DEFCON 1]

You're pinning a lot of strong language on people who aren't using such here. Trends, tendencies, and shifts are things too.

Doesn't mean I'm wrong.

 

[BrokenTwin]

I don't really get the negative reaction towards Damage On A Miss. If we can accept that Hit Points are a weird amalgamation of luck, stamina, and actual physicality, than grazing attacks make perfect sense. Luck can't last forever, successfully dodging is still draining on your stamina, etc.

 

[Micah Sweet]

I don't really get the negative reaction towards Damage On A Miss. If we can accept that Hit Points are a weird amalgamation of luck, stamina, and actual physicality, than grazing attacks make perfect sense. Luck can't last forever, successfully dodging is still draining on your stamina, etc.

The issue is the name. Miss still means "not hit" to the majority of humanity. Why would something without a blast radius have an effect if it doesn't hit? Change the name and it works much better.

 

[Ulorian - Agent of Chaos]

You're pinning a lot of strong language on people who aren't using such here. Trends, tendencies, and shifts are things too.

The OP does the very thing that you're saying didn't happen. Not following your logic here. I agree with you that 'Trends, tendencies, and shifts are things too'. There is a way to state 'I see a trend/tendency/shift' without resorting to hyperbole though.

 

[FrogReaver]

I don't really get the negative reaction towards Damage On A Miss. If we can accept that Hit Points are a weird amalgamation of luck, stamina, and actual physicality, than grazing attacks make perfect sense. Luck can't last forever, successfully dodging is still draining on your stamina, etc.

Oh no. Not this hp debate again.

 

[payn]

Oh no. Not this hp debate again.

 

[Joshua Randall]

If we can accept that Hit Points are a weird amalgamation of luck, stamina, and actual physicality, than grazing attacks make perfect sense. Luck can't last forever, successfully dodging is still draining on your stamina, etc.

And that's pretty much how Gygax describes them in AD&D, yet weirdly people continue to insist that HP = meat points, to this day.

 

[FrogReaver]

Not if we throw it into the fires of Mordor?

 

[EzekielRaiden]

What if it's candy shell, then milk chocolate, then more candy shell, then a center of oozy goo like Bubblicious gum?

There are some things kind of in this direction, though it would be unusual. Not totally unprecedented, just unusual. I can't think of any specific examples off the top of my head.

And more important -- which RGP does this describe?

GURPS. Layers and layers where each one is radically different from most of the others, but you somehow make it all work together anyway? GURPS.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

The issue is the name. Miss still means "not hit" to the majority of humanity. Why would something without a blast radius have an effect if it doesn't hit? Change the name and it works much better.

I mean, that's...literally what it is though.

Why are people so upset about something simply because it has a name that offends them? If literally nothing--nothing whatsoever--about its fluff or crunch changes in any way...except the name...why should it matter?

This is literally part of the absurd hatred criticized, even lambasted, by Shakespeare in Romeo and Juliet:

"'Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
What's Montague? It is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet; ..."

To kick up a fuss because it is nicknamed by fans as "damage on a miss" when...it is literally damage you deal...even though you've not hit their AC...but to accept with open arms if it were nicknamed, say, "automatic damage"...I just don't understand it. It's openly irrational, not even bothering to hide behind subjectivity.