Spoilers Star Trek: Deep Space Nine

[overgeeked]

That gets complicated. They know all of time, and yet don't have a concept of linear time until Sisko explains it to them. I suppose that either means that they had the concept all along, since "until" is meaningless to them, or the explanation is similarly meaningless to them.

I always viewed it as going through the motions. They exist at all times simultaneously. At no “point in time” did they lack knowledge of that conversation, but “when it was time” to have that conversation they had it. Like with us. We already know exactly how some conversation is going to go but we still have it anyway. Only for them it’s not a guess or assumption how the conversation will go. Because from Sisko’s perspective he hadn’t had the conversation yet, so they had to have it. Put another way, they’re not learning from Sisko…they’re teaching Sisko.

 

[Gradine]

Look, two entertainment things coming out at roughly the same time with a bit too many superficial similarities to be purely coincidental is thing that has happened many times, long before Babylon 5 and Deep Space Nine hit the airwaves and many, many more times since. It's kind of what the TV/Film industry does. Can we just acknowledge the meme (if I had a nickel for every time there were two shows with yadda yadda in common on air at the same time, I'd have two nickels, yadda yadda) and not turn the Deep Space Nine thread into an endlessly relitigating its relations to Babylon Five?

 

[MarkB]

That gets complicated. They know all of time, and yet don't have a concept of linear time until Sisko explains it to them. I suppose that either means that they had the concept all along, since "until" is meaningless to them, or the explanation is similarly meaningless to them.

Or it was never about them lacking understanding of linear time, so much as their understanding of time being so far beyond ours that they had to get an explanation from our perspective in order to calibrate just how far they'd need to dumb down their explanations. In other words, their interaction with Sisko didn't teach them more about time, it just taught them more about Sisko.

 

[payn]

 

[GrimCo]

Started rewatching DS9 after rewatching TNG. Skipped straight to S5 when Dominion War starts. Not that early seasons are not fun, it's just that Dominion war is most interesting part of DS9 for me. Pissed off, bald and bearded Sisko is best Sisko. It's only ST that depicts full scale war from perspective of both sides.

 

[payn]

Started rewatching DS9 after rewatching TNG. Skipped straight to S5 when Dominion War starts. Not that early seasons are not fun, it's just that Dominion war is most interesting part of DS9 for me. Pissed off, bald and bearded Sisko is best Sisko. It's only ST that depicts full scale war from perspective of both sides.

My starting point is S3. Enter Worf and show takes off.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

My starting point is S3. Enter Worf and show takes off.

I think that's actually season 4 in the first episode of that season, Way of the Warrior. The 3rd season begins with meeting the Dominion and its Founders.

 

[payn]

I think that's actually season 4 in the first episode of that season, Way of the Warrior. The 3rd season begins with meeting the Dominion and its Founders.

Oh right, season 3 leads up to Worf joining. It’s still my jump on point.

 

[BookTenTiger]

One thing I do wish had been different is making life beyond the wormhole a little different than in the Alpha Quadrant. As it was, the planets and people were basically the same as could be encountered by The Enterprise or the crew of ang other show.

I'm not really sure what that would look like in a Star Trek show but it's an interesting thought experiment!

 

[payn]

One thing I do wish had been different is making life beyond the wormhole a little different than in the Alpha Quadrant. As it was, the planets and people were basically the same as could be encountered by The Enterprise or the crew of ang other show.

I'm not really sure what that would look like in a Star Trek show but it's an interesting thought experiment!

I do think the changlings were different than anything before, but yeah all the other aliens are just slight variations.