WotC Would you buy WotC products produced or enhanced with AI?

[Bohandas]

What do you think about WotC using their own archive of text and images?

Exactly!

They're a big content producing corporation. Do you all really think that they need scraped content to make you obsolete? The only thing that eliminating scraped content is going to do is ensure that only big corporations like Hasbro have access to AI. They will be all powerful and the narrative people are hell-bent to sell will say its ok, and so nobody will be able to complain. And all you will have achieved is to eliminate the possibility of competition by smaller companies. Realize the mistake that you all are making!

 

[Bohandas]

why would we still need publishers?

I've been saying this for TWENTY YEARS! They were an obsolete middleman the moment that the internet became mainstream.

 

[The Firebird]

The 5.0 PHB had sections quoted verbatim. You claim it's not using the text, I don't care about what hoops you wish to jump through, if you can get a chunk of reprinted text, it's obvious the text was stolen.

A lot of actors can quote Macbeth verbatim, too.

 

[Scribe]

A lot of actors can quote Macbeth verbatim, too.

Sure.

Now how many actors can firehose the totality of the internet, and anything published, without paying for it, and regurgitate that?

 

[The Firebird]

Sure.

Now how many actors can firehose the totality of the internet, and anything published, without paying for it, and regurgitate that?

You're making a false claim. LLMs can recover verbatim series of tokens which are highly represented in the training data; for example, Shakespeare. But they cannot give you the "totality of the internet", nor "anything published".

 

[Bohandas]

You're making a false claim. LLMs can recover verbatim series of tokens which are highly represented in the training data; for example, Shakespeare. But they cannot give you the "totality of the internet", nor "anything published".

Thank you. It's nice to see that someone else here has actually researched this.

We need better STEM education.

 

[mamba]

This is not true. Storing weights and biases are not the same as storing the original text.

and yet it ingested the original text to arrive at its weights and biases

 

[mamba]

They're a big content producing corporation. Do you all really think that they need scraped content to make you obsolete?

if they don't need it then they can stay away from AI too.

 

[Scribe]

You're making a false claim. LLMs can recover verbatim series of tokens which are highly represented in the training data; for example, Shakespeare. But they cannot give you the "totality of the internet", nor "anything published".

True I suppose, just everything not nailed down they could steal and consume.

 

[The Firebird]

and yet it ingested the original text to arrive at its weights and biases

Yeah. And I watched Star Wars.

True I suppose, just everything not nailed down they could steal and consume.

No, this is false.

I thought an example may help. Here is a chat asking for the text of the (more obscure) House on the Borderland. It is in the public domain.

Here is the output of the LLM:

It was on the afternoon of the twentieth of August, 1877, that I and my friend, Tonnison, arrived at the little village of Kraighten, where we intended to stay the night. We had tramped since early morning, and were tired. Also, we were hungry; though this last we did not know thoroughly, until the scent of cooking, coming from the direction of a small inn, drew us thither. We put up there, and after a wash and brush up, had a meal, which we both enjoyed thoroughly. Afterward, Tonnison had a pipe, and lay down on his bed; while I went out to have a look at the surrounding country.


The village, which consisted of a few cottages and two or three larger buildings, stood in the midst of a tangled waste of bushes and gorse. It was hidden away in a deep hollow, and the place seemed to possess a quiet, restful atmosphere, that was very grateful after our rough tramp. I walked up the winding road, for a short distance, and then stopped and looked back. The sun was low, and the whole village was lit up in the warm glow of the evening light. Smoke was rising from some of the chimneys, and I could see figures moving about in the gardens. Presently, Tonnison joined me, and we stood silently looking at the quaint little hamlet.

And here is the text:

Right away in the west of Ireland lies a tiny hamlet called Kraighten. It is situated, alone, at the base of a low hill. Far around there spreads a waste of bleak and totally inhospitable country; where, here and there at great intervals, one may come upon the ruins of some long desolate cottage—unthatched and stark. The whole land is bare and unpeopled, the very earth scarcely covering the rock that lies beneath it, and with which the country abounds, in places rising out of the soil in wave-shaped ridges.


Yet, in spite of its desolation, my friend Tonnison and I had elected to spend our vacation there. He had stumbled on the place by mere chance the year previously, during the course of a long walking tour, and discovered the possibilities for the angler in a small and unnamed river that runs past the outskirts of the little village.