D&D General If Nentir Vale were in the Forgotten Realms, where would they be?

[Staffan]

That sounds about right. I'd cut it off with the southern border being before the Cloud Peaks. I'd suspect that it all depends on what edition/book you're reading.

This is an area that I'm not very familiar with, I dont even really remember what supplement its in? Is it in the 3E Unapproachable East? I remember the area being mentioned minimally here in there through 2E but I stopped reading a lot of sourcebooks to the degree I did before 3E so I only read a few or bits and pieces. Just had more important things to worry about at the time than RPGs so I dropped off for a few years.

Yes, it's in Unapproachable East. But I mostly picked it because the geography mostly matches and it's fairly lightly covered in previous material which makes it a good candidate to plop something new in.

 

[R_J_K75]

Yes, it's in Unapproachable East. But I mostly picked it because the geography mostly matches and it's fairly lightly covered in previous material which makes it a good candidate to plop something new in.

That makes sense. I hadn't given much thought to the geography but looking at them side by side they do look very similar.

 

[Epic Meepo]

Nentir River in Nentir Vale looks like it would map fairly well onto the Scelptar River in the Border Kingdoms south of the Lake of Steam (and the Border Kingdoms are the real kitchen sink of the Realms). But from what little I know of Nentir Vale, its climate doesn't match the warm climate of the Border Kingdoms region. So I guess it doesn't really fit there.

Failing that, I suppose it's easy enough to drop Nentir Vale in just about any remote corner of the North (either the Sword Coast North or the Moonsea North).

 

[Shades of Eternity]

honestly, find a place and shoe horn it in. Aeonus maybe?

I'd also add Abeir where Osse is. It was the one good change they did in 4e and I'd love to have it somewhere.

Can we add Blackmoor somewhere? Because they already did in Greyhawk and Mystara?

 

[R_J_K75]

and the Border Kingdoms are the real kitchen sink of the Realms

How so? I always thought it had a pretty succinct concept with it being the place adventurers go to carve out their own kingdom. I never looked at it like a kitchen sink area, but maybe there is something I'm missing. I read the write ups of it in the old Polyhedron magazines, the 3E column Ed Greenwood wrote on WotC website during the 3E era and the latest book he published on DMs Guild

 

[R_J_K75]

honestly, find a place and shoe horn it in. Aeonus maybe?

I'd also add Abeir where Osse is. It was the one good change they did in 4e and I'd love to have it somewhere.

Can we add Blackmoor somewhere? Because they already did in Greyhawk and Mystara?

Shame that they usually only concentrate on a small portion of Faerun these days when there is so much more they could explore.

 

[Epic Meepo]

How so? I always thought it had a pretty succinct concept with it being the place adventurers go to carve out their own kingdom. I never looked at it like a kitchen sink area, but maybe there is something I'm missing. I read the write ups of it in the old Polyhedron magazines, the 3E column Ed Greenwood wrote on WotC website during the 3E era and the latest book he published on DMs Guild

It's a kitchen sink in the sense that the DM can shoehorn in whatever faction, NPC, or small nation they want to put there. The Border Kingdoms chapter in Power of Faerun explicitly states "there is no such thing as an accurate history or even map of the Border Kingdoms," and adds that the region is "riddled with wild magic." So the DM has carte blanche to dictate what political factions and even magic systems exist there at any given time. And important residents are often adventurers from distant lands, so the region can logically accommodate NPCs of almost any origin.

 

[Mistwell]

"According to Christopher Perkins, the Nentir Vale was originally conceived to be part of the Forgotten Realms setting, before being used as the setting for the Nerath world. Shadowfell Keep and the town of Winterhaven are the only places of Nentir Vale that eventually appeared in a Forgotten Realms product."

The wiki, citing the "Keep on the Shadowfell" Forgotten Realms conversion PDF, puts it between Cormyr and Sembia on the East Way.

 

[R_J_K75]

OK gotcha now, and I agree when put that way.

The Border Kingdoms chapter in Power of Faerun explicitly states "there is no such thing as an accurate history or even map of the Border Kingdoms," and adds that the region is "riddled with wild magic."

I do vaguely recall reading this too.

So the DM has carte blanche to dictate what political factions and even magic systems exist there at any given time. And important residents are often adventurers from distant lands, so the region can logically accommodate NPCs of almost any origin.

I ran a Border Kingdoms campaign for a few months a few years ago, and it did have this feel. Even the 5E book wasn't very specific in some respects just to further this aspect of the region. It was fun but we didn't finish the campaign.

 

[Chaltab]

I dont think Nentir Vale can be on Forgotten Realms Toril, because the Nentir Vale planet is so small. The distance between arctic pole and equator is small.

How do you figure this?