Spoilers Daredevil: Born Again (Spoilers)

[James Gasik]

I mean, strictly speaking, having greater skill at something than anyone on Earth probably should be a super power. I guess it comes down to, there's no way to prove that it is- there's no super soldier serum, weird genetic code, or physical mutation that someone could point to. If Hawkeye or Bullseye had ever desired to compete in the Olympics, there's nothing that disqualifies them innately.*

Further, Taskmaster can copy their skills using their abilities, which generally don't work on superpowers.

*Of course, by this same token, Dr. Strange is just a guy, even though magic totally counts as a superpower (and great shades of Arthur C. Clarke, advanced technology really should as well, ala Iron Man, even though just about anyone could wear the armor).

So yeah, it's a matter of our, real-world perspective, vs. what people in the MCU would consider superpowers. I'm reminded of 3.5's Extraordinary vs. Supernatural abilities- we'd consider stuff like Uncanny Dodge or Barbarian Rage to be superpowers, but to a 3.5 NPC, they'd be strictly non-magical.

The fact that Daredevil is considered to, in-universe, have superpowers, should be enough to allow him to get a pass when it comes to his impossible feats- since, by all accounts, you can achieve similar results through "training", as Stick did (maybe) and the Mole Man.

 

[Thomas Shey]

on the bullseye thing all I’ll say is, if this is a world that thinks Hawkeyes accuracy is “mundane” and not a superpower, than bullseyes skill can certainly be considered mundane

Though I do note you still need to draw the line somewhere. Clint is absolutely ridiculously accurate, but there are some applications-of-force issues Bullseye does that goes well beyond accuracy. I don't remember if he's done some of those in the MCU, but the comic version has done things like penetrate a human skull with thrown coins, and that's a whole different beast than accuracy.

 

[Stalker0]

Though I do note you still need to draw the line somewhere. Clint is absolutely ridiculously accurate, but there are some applications-of-force issues Bullseye does that goes well beyond accuracy. I don't remember if he's done some of those in the MCU, but the comic version has done things like penetrate a human skull with thrown coins, and that's a whole different beast than accuracy.

Clint is not "ridiculously accurate" he is "superhuman accurate". He simply does not miss....ever. He can literally turn his head and fire an arrow at a fast moving target (that he is not looking directly at) and hit them dead center. That is not a feat that humans can replicate today, even the greatest snipers with the best equipment cannot replicate the feats he does casually in the movies.

you do have to draw the line somewhere I agree. but if Client is the line of mundane, I don't think bullseye crosses it

 

[Clint_L]

Clint is not "ridiculously accurate" he is "superhuman accurate". He simply does not miss....ever. He can literally turn his head and fire an arrow at a fast moving target (that he is not looking directly at) and hit them dead center.

Hawkye on why playing golf is not for him: "I played 18, I shot 18. Just can't seem to miss."

 

[billd91]

Hawkye on why playing golf is not for him: "I played 18, I shot 18. Just can't seem to miss."

And you gotta figure there’s at least one par 5 on that course so he is not only mothereffing accurate, he’s got a heck of a mothereffing drive.

 

[chuckdee]

on the bullseye thing all I’ll say is, if this is a world that thinks Hawkeyes accuracy is “mundane” and not a superpower, than bullseyes skill can certainly be considered mundane

I don't think the answer is mundane vs not 'in-world'. It's mundane or not as it relates to the 'real world'. Neither is mundane realistically. In fact, I'd dare to say that none of what any of the protagonists do is mundane realistically.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Clint is not "ridiculously accurate" he is "superhuman accurate". He simply does not miss....ever. He can literally turn his head and fire an arrow at a fast moving target (that he is not looking directly at) and hit them dead center. That is not a feat that humans can replicate today, even the greatest snipers with the best equipment cannot replicate the feats he does casually in the movies.

you do have to draw the line somewhere I agree. but if Client is the line of mundane, I don't think bullseye crosses it

I still maintain at least with the comics version, what Clint does and what Bullseye does are different. Clint can do the "throw a coin to punch a TV remote" but he can't throw it threw someone's body cavity or skull the way Bullseye has done repeatedly.

 

[Stalker0]

I still maintain at least with the comics version, what Clint does and what Bullseye does are different. Clint can do the "throw a coin to punch a TV remote" but he can't throw it threw someone's body cavity or skull the way Bullseye has done repeatedly.

I agree they are different in terms of ability, but I would argue they are not in terms of scale. Clint is as “superhuman” as bullseye is, just in a different way

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I still maintain at least with the comics version, what Clint does and what Bullseye does are different. Clint can do the "throw a coin to punch a TV remote" but he can't throw it threw someone's body cavity or skull the way Bullseye has done repeatedly.

Different levels of impossible. I don't think the English language allows for that.

 

[chuckdee]

Different levels of impossible. I don't think the English language allows for that.

Not different levels of impossible. Different kinds of impossible.