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Goodman Games Offers Assurances About Judges Guild Royalties

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Goodman Games has issued another statement regarding the situation surrounding its upcoming City State of the Invincible Overlord crowdfunder.

Goodman Games CEO Joseph Goodman opened by saying "I was personally very affected by the comments because many of the people I know and love are in the groups that were heavily affected so I don't agree with the bigotry, I don't agree with the transphobia, I don't agree with the homophobia, I don't agree with the racism, I don't agree with any of it and I don't want to be associated with it and I don't want any money from Goodman Games to ever fund it or be perceived as funding it."

The short version of the statement --
  • The funds which would have gone to Judges Guild (which appears to be 10% of the Kickstarter) will be placed in an escrow account managed by Goodman Games. Those funds will be used to reimburse the backers of the earlier unfulfilled Judges Guild Kickstarter.
  • The print run will be limited to ensure that once those backers have been reimbursed, no further revenue will be generated. This ensures that Judges Guild will not make a profit on this project.
  • If in some way the Kickstarter does exceed this threshold, Goodman Games is legally obligated to pay the excess royalties to Judges Guild. However, Goodman Games will match that excess with a charity donation.


Hi everyone,

Over the last day, I’ve been listening and reading the comments made in relation to our City State of the Invincible Overlord crowdfunding project. Many of you have legitimate questions which we could have done a better job addressing initially. I realize that, in the initial rollout, I should have better explained how Goodman Games plans to publish this product in a way aligned with our company’s core values.

A common sentiment in many comments is: “How do you know the royalties will be used as intended?” As we shared yesterday, our agreement with Judges Guild is that royalties from “our” 5E+DCC City State of the Invincible Overlord will be used to repay unfulfilled backers from “their” Pathfinder CSIO Kickstarter from many years ago. There is legitimate concern from many commentators asking how we will ensure that would happen and ensuring that no funds are used for any other purpose. I and the entire Goodman Games team personally agree, as we do not want any funds from a Goodman Games project (this or any other) used for any causes or purposes related to the things that we are diametrically opposed to. (Including antisemitism, racism, homophobia, or other bigoted causes.) Concerns about funds being used for other purposes by other parties have been taken very seriously.

Therefore, Goodman Games will set up an escrow account specifically to receive any royalties due to Judges Guild. Effective immediately we will take over administering the refund process for the 2014 Judges Guild “Pathfinder edition” CSIO campaign. All royalties generated from “our” 5E+DCC CSIO campaign will be paid directly into this account. No royalties will be paid directly to Judges Guild.

We will limit the number of copies printed of “our” CSIO project to ensure royalties do not exceed the “full refund threshold” of the original Pathfinder CSIO campaign. In other words, if every single backer of the original campaign requests a refund, and we sell our entire print run, the full value of refunds will be granted and not a cent will be left over for additional royalty payments.

All reimbursements to backers of the previous Pathfinder campaign will come from this escrow account, managed by Goodman Games and overseen by a third party to ensure the funds are used as intended with no other parties being a part of this process.

For the record: Goodman Games has no access to the original Judges Guild Pathfinder Kickstarter campaign. We were not part of it. Operationally, legally, morally and financially we have no connection to it (other than this new development). We are unable to access backer records. Currently we would ask that backers of that original project email info@goodman-games.com and include a screen capture of their original pledge info, with backer number as well as full name and mailing address. (This email address may change as we set up the mechanisms to deal with this process.) We will begin to process refunds following the close and settlement of the crowdfunding campaign. To the extent that the funds accrued in the Judges Guild royalty escrow account cover some or all refund requests, we will administer an evenly prorated amount or a full refund.

The goal of this post is to answer any remaining questions, so here is an answer to one more that I anticipate. “What happens to any money left in the escrow account after the refunds are paid out?” The “Pathfinder edition” CSIO project generated $85k in revenue. For “our” project to generate $85k in royalty payments, it would have to break $850,000, which would be an extraordinary campaign. I think it’s highly unlikely that will happen.

However, it has been represented to me that Judges Guild has already refunded some of the original Pathfinder backers, so perhaps the total refund requests will be less than $85k. And perhaps “our” campaign will do better than expected, generating a larger-than-expected royalty payment. The combination of these two factors means it’s possible there will be money left in the escrow account.

We are legally obligated to pay those funds to Judges Guild. If that happens, Goodman Games will match that remaining payment with a donation to a charitable cause that supports our values of inclusivity. We have requested that Judges Guild make a similar donation.

We will also be limiting the print run of the campaign to manage the amount of royalties generated by this campaign so that there should be no excess. This campaign will be a “one-and-done” print run. PDF copies of the materials will only be sold during this crowdfunding campaign. There will be no additional printing. If the crowdfunding backers do not pledge for the entire print run, the remaining printed copies will be sold into distribution to generate funds for the remaining reimbursements of the “Pathfinder edition.”

I hope this addresses the concern around “where the money goes.” If there are other questions I can address, please send them our way and I’ll try to address those too. As we said yesterday when the events of 2020 occurred, we had several projects in the works related to the Judges Guild property. This is the last former Judges Guild product Goodman Games will be publishing that we do not own the rights to. We have rights to other products, which we do not intend to develop.

The original City State of the Invincible Overlord, as first designed by Bob Bledsaw Sr and Bill Owen in 1977, is an amazing piece of TTRPG history that deserves to be seen by 2025 gamers. Our hope that we can find way to share this brilliant creation with 5E and DCC gamers, help resolve outstanding refunds for the prior Kickstarter backers and do so without any connection to racist, homophobic, antisemitic and other bigotry exposed in 2020.

Thanks for your patience as we got everything pulled together behind the scenes and having the faith in Goodman Games as a company and myself to do the right thing.

Sincerely,
Joseph Goodman
 

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I wonder if it would help if Goodman Games asked Bledsaw Jnr to come out in the public and:

a) disavow the 2020 comments
b) promise all moneys to be refunded from previous failed Kickstarter
 


I wonder if it would help if Goodman Games asked Bledsaw Jnr to come out in the public and:

a) disavow the 2020 comments
b) promise all moneys to be refunded from previous failed Kickstarter
a) isn't gonna happen

And it wasn't just 2020 he literally never stopped posting racism. I think he took his Facebook private again since the Goodman games brouhaha, but he was still posting reprehensible stuff right up till then.
 

Yeah I keep coming back to the fact that so many of the things that I do with Goodman Games whether it's content-wise or business practices was really established in the 70s by Bob Bedslaw Snr and Bill Owen, it's kind of amazing but I think it's important to point out that nothing is changing about Goodman Games. We've done things in a certain way for 24 years. A large part of our fan base has grown up to appreciate that. And those of us who have seen behind the curtain as to what we are producing whether it's Mike and Chris on this call or Doug and his announcements at Dungeon Con and his enthusiasm for doing the cover, I think all you know Doug, all you know me, all you know Mike and Chris, and you know what we're about and that's what we'll bring to City State of the Invincible Overlord. We intend to publish this the Goodman Games way, the way we've done it for 24 years and the way we will hopefully do it for many years to come and my personal opinion is I like to build bridges rather than walls. I think there's been a lot of experiences in the last couple years in America of people building walls amongst each other. I'd rather encourage dialogue, encourage conversation, get people talking and have people converge on what I hope is a unified perspective for how we can all go forward together in a collaborative way.
- Joseph Goodman

As long as Goodman Games holds the stance of "building bridges" and wants to "encourage conversation" with antisemetic and islamaphobic people then I will no longer patronize them.

I DO applaud Goodman Games for attempting to refund previous Kickstarter backers, but that doesn't suddenly make the above quote less problematic for me, personally.
 
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As long as Goodman Games holds the stance of "building bridges" and "encourage conversation" with antisemetic and islamaphobic people then I will no longer patronize them.

I DO applaude Goodman Games for attempting to refund previous Kickstarter backers, but that doesn't suddenly make the above quote less problematic for me, personally.
For what it’s worth I don’t think he meant Bob Jr and Bob III about building bridges. I could be wrong.
 

For what it’s worth I don’t think he meant Bob Jr and Bob III about building bridges. I could be wrong.
If so, that's great!

Unfortunately, there is a lot of talk very similar to that quote that is said by apologists regarding different horrible views, almost verbatim. So, it doesn't fill me with much confidence regardless so I'd rather stay away and keep my conscience clean on the issue.
 

For what it’s worth I don’t think he meant Bob Jr and Bob III about building bridges. I could be wrong.

Even in general, that verbiage has apologist tones, especially when there is no bridge or conversation going on. There seems to be no attempt to address or redress the issue folks seem most upset about. Empty words should not impress us, and should, indeed, raise skeptical eyebrows.

If this opened with, "Bob reached out to me, said he had realized some of this error, and wanted to start to make amends, and this is how we want to try to do that..." it might be a different story. I'm okay with making way for folks to try to be better. As it stands, though, it is a business agreement with a bigot to get a limited run of a remake of an old product.

The plan to make it so that JG gets as little money as possible I accept as a decent try. But it isn't enough to make me feel good about participating in this legacy.
 

Even in general, that verbiage has apologist tones, especially when there is no bridge or conversation going on. There seems to be no attempt to address or redress the issue folks seem most upset about. Empty words should not impress us, and should, indeed, raise skeptical eyebrows.

If this opened with, "Bob reached out to me, said he had realized some of this error, and wanted to start to make amends, and this is how we want to try to do that..." it might be a different story. I'm okay with making way for folks to try to be better. As it stands, though, it is a business agreement with a bigot to get a limited run of a remake of an old product.

The plan to make it so that JG gets as little money as possible I accept as a decent try. But it isn't enough to make me feel good about participating in this legacy.
Very well put, I think this sums up my stance very well.
 

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