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Makes one think twice about how wistfully Sisko remembers their old hijinks
Spoilers Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
- Thread starter jian
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Yeah, it really does. It’s weird how much affection Sisko has for Curzon (or the memory of working with him) while still noting how selfish, manipulative, and abusive Curzon was. I don’t think that would wash now - it’s all very 90s and pre-Epstein or MeToo.
For the record, this is what Sisko said about Curzon:
"Let me tell you something about Curzon. He was my friend, he was my confidant, in a way he was my teacher as well. But he was also manipulative, selfish, and arrogant. Most people let him get away with it because he was so charming. Sometimes I let him get away with it too."
Oh, and Rom going father bear on Quark is great too:
Quark: I did it for his own good, Rom. I couldn't just stand by and watch my nephew throw his life away.
Rom: You had no right to interfere! I've already told Commander Sisko what you did, and he's going to let Nog retake the test!
Quark: You what?!
Rom: You heard me! And if you ever do anything to hurt Nog again, I'll burn the bar to the ground!
Quark: You wouldn't dare.
Rom: Oh. yes, I would. My son's happiness is more important to me than anything, even latinum! Remember that, brother!
(Rom should probably remember that the bar is integrated into the Promenade and DS9's central structure, so burning it down probably wouldn't work out well.)
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I took his comment to be metaphorical, but it was no empty threat. Judging by Quark's comments over the course of the show, his bar was often running a very slim profit margin, teetering on the edge. Rom knew the weak spots, and could have bankrupted the bar, ruining his brother's financial situation.
payn
Glory to Marik
Not only that but Rom keeps everything running mechanically, all he has to do is stop and quark is in trouble.
Joshua Randall
Legend
There are some really good Ferengi episodes in DS9’s run. Definitely they got rehabilitated from their dreadful TNG introduction.
trappedslider
Legend
pukunui
Legend
I made it up to the episode where Sisko has a goatee. Not sure how I feel about it. (EDIT: And now in the next episode, his goatee has all but disappeared!)
Fun little “Kon-Tiki” style episode.
NZ gets a mention!
I’m intrigued by Jake’s mention of transporter credits. Haven’t heard of those before.
How did Sisko build that ship so quickly?
EDIT 2: At the beginning of Shakaar, Odo comments that “one of the problems of giving people freedom of choice is that sometimes they make the wrong choice.” Too true, Odo! Too true!
Fun little “Kon-Tiki” style episode.
NZ gets a mention!
I’m intrigued by Jake’s mention of transporter credits. Haven’t heard of those before.
How did Sisko build that ship so quickly?
EDIT 2: At the beginning of Shakaar, Odo comments that “one of the problems of giving people freedom of choice is that sometimes they make the wrong choice.” Too true, Odo! Too true!
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I think they come up one or two more times. The vague idea that even in the Federation you can't just do anything you want to do on a whim. There is some limit: credits.
They don't mention it, but I think the idea is that he was building it for some time. Just a typical TV time skip.
Equally, Federation citizens do have to be able to buy things from people outside the Federation, such as Sisko buying land on Bajor or indeed everyone buying drinks in Quark’s.
I kind of assume there is an internal Federation credit system based on work done to help others, Starfleet rank, and personal development - other ST media explicitly say that those things are valued and rewarded - which also can be converted to external funds. But mostly people don’t use them most of the time because they have food, housing, information, and other day to day resources. Presumably Sisko had a lot of back pay left over from decades of service.
It also makes me wonder about Federation citizens who don’t work for Starfleet. So Kasidy is a freighter captain - does she work for herself or for the Federation? Does she own her own ship? Does she profit from goods sold? I get the impression not - she feels more like an airline pilot than anything else, she has a set duty rota and can take vacation.
Ryujin
Legend
Federation citizens have the equivalent of a Universal Basic Income so they aren't required to work, but do anyway. This covers food, lodging, recreation, and some equivalent to expendable cash. Presumably there are perks that go along with some jobs, above and beyond the basics, by virtue of relative value to society.
What they don't have, in their post scarcity society, is more time. When it comes to that one finite resource they would have to be fair in allocation, hence the concept of transporter credits. Can't have a few people gallivanting about, hogging all the transporter time.
*I should note that this is my head canon, not anything I've explicitly read anywhere. It's just the synthesis of what has been said, in the various iterations of Trek, and what I extrapolated from that.
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