D&D 5E (2014) Durable feat

[Salmonellius]

Hello,

A fighter with the Durable feat and Constitution 16 rolls Hit Die to regain hit points.

Does the minimum regained by HD is (3 x 2) + 3 = 9, or only (3 x 2) = 6 ?

In other words, does the minimum apply to the roll before adding the bonus, or to the final result ?

 

[Rabulias]

Hello,

A fighter with the Durable feat and Constitution 16 rolls Hit Die to regain hit points.

Does the minimum regained by HD is (3 x 2) + 3 = 9, or only (3 x 2) = 6 ?

In other words, does the minimum apply to the roll before adding the bonus, or to the final result ?

I would say it applies to the total, not just the die roll.

 

[mellored]

It's per die.

"When you roll a Hit Die to regain hit points".

Not when you roll multiple of them.

 

[billd91]

I would agree with Rabulias that the minimum applies to the total. So if you have a fighter with a +3 Con bonus, for each hit die you roll (1d10+3), the minimum result is 6. That makes the effective range for each hit die 6-13 rather than 4-13. Not a huge benefit, but nice.
And there's no real difference between rolling a single hit die or multiple hit dice when healing because you can always roll them one at a time to determine how many you are going to expend. Roll well, and you will probably need to roll fewer hit dice on your short rest. Roll poorly, and you'll probably end up rolling more.

 

[Rune]

It's per die.

"When you roll a Hit Die to regain hit points".

Not when you roll multiple of them.

This is an important distinction, because HD spent on regaining hp can be used one at a time until you decide to stop.

 

[Salmonellius]

My question was about one hit die.
So, considering the fighter with Con 16, if the HD result is 4 or 5, it counts for 6. It's an average regain of 8.8 hp. Without the feat, the average is 8.5.
The benefit is not so great compared to adding 1 to an ability score.

 

[FreeTheSlaves]

I'd rule more generously because the feat otherwise would be so weak.

With 16 Con and d10 HD, the minimum from the roll would be 6, then add 3. Total 9.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

My question was about one hit die.
So, considering the fighter with Con 16, if the HD result is 4 or 5, it counts for 6. It's an average regain of 8.8 hp. Without the feat, the average is 8.5.
The benefit is not so great compared to adding 1 to an ability score.

No, it's not great. A little better if you use smaller hit dice. Buffed hugely in 2024 rules.

 

[Horwath]

Feat is "F tier", might as well house rule it that you always get max amount of healing per HD.
Even then it would be an OK "B tier".

 

[Kinematics]

Each time you gain a level, you gain 1 additional Hit Die. Roll that Hit Die, add your Constitution modifier to the roll, and add the total (minimum of 1) to your hit point maximum.

When you roll a Hit Die to regain hit points, the minimum number of hit points you regain from the roll equals twice your Constitution modifier (minimum of 2).

The Beyond First Level rules distinguish between "roll" and "total", where "total" applies after your Con mod is added. So, assuming the same terminology is being used (as it should be, and it's used similarly elsewhere), the feat's rule would appear to apply a minimum to the die roll itself, to which you add your Con bonus afterwards.

Thus the 16 Con fighter would have hit dice rolls that ranged from 6 to 10, rather than 1 to 10, and then add 3 Con to that. That gives you a final results between 9 and 13, and an average of 10 rather than 8.5. That's at least plausibly useful; applying it only to the final total would be a complete joke.