GURPS 4th Edition Revised Announced

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GURPS is getting a revised 4th edition. Steve Jackson Games has quietly announced a revised version of GURPS current edition, with a focus on cleaning up wording and layout. Announced at Gamehole Con and further detailed in this thread on the Steve Jackson Games server, the revised edition will be fully compatible with all existing 4th edition GURPS material, right down to preserving page references in existing books. There will be rule changes in the form of additions that will be added via addenda, with players able to bring in those rules as they see fit to their existing 4th edition games.

GURPS stands for Generic Universal Role Playing System and is intended to be a rules system that can be used for any kind of story or genre. Steve Jackson has long-hinted that a new edition of GURPS was on the way, although it appears that they opted to keep the current edition rather than rebuild the game or make significant changes to its mechanics.

From DouglasCole on the GURPS forums:


Since the GURPS Fourth Edition Revised monkey is out of the sack:

Zero. It won't be years. Most of the work is already done.

1. By far the biggest differences are major changes to physical layout and design. I'm not sure what SJ leaked at Gamehole Con, so I'm not going to go into detail here beyond saying, "The thing will be easier to use and read." It will not look the same, despite #3 below.

2. It is definitively not GURPS Fifth Edition, or even a GURPS Third Edition to GURPS Fourth Edition-level change! It is a GURPS Third Edition to GURPS Third Edition Revised-level change. It will not make edition-level changes to point costs, modifiers, prices, weights, etc. All rules changes will be additions, in clearly marked addenda "chapters," so that people can easily decide what to retcon into Fourth Edition campaigns.

3. Top priority is to preserve page references so that whether you use the Basic Set, Fourth Edition or Basic Set Fourth Edition Revised, an internal "p. 00" or external "p. B00" points you to the same rule. This brooks little to no rewriting outside of the addenda mentioned in #2.

4. Inasmuch as there is some rewriting, as in #3, it will be to remedy some particularly offensive or unclear passages. Not to change rules!

5+. And other minor stuff while we're at it. The above will inevitably change the size, shape, and location of art and quote boxes, so expect art and quotes to change, too. We'll update the credits to reflect additional material in the addenda, and the creatives who created the revised book. I'm sure there are 100 things like that.

#3 is the single most important element in living up to the promise of compatibility. There are literally millions of page references in 21 years of supplements and articles, not to mention community discussions. Invalidating them would mean a huge slap in the face. But #1 is the main reason to do the thing. So, it isn't a conflict . . . it's a visual upgrade that doesn't insult customers, while still providing both enhanced readability AND some extra "best of" addenda.

I can say without shilling or exaggerating that it is far, far more than a new printing. It just isn't a full edition. There are things between the two. A revision is one of those things. If all a reader cares about is the rules . . . well, there will be lots of addenda, but no, not a full revision. However, lots of readers care about readability, sensitivity, design aesthetics, being aware that it's 21 years later, etc. even if not a single rule changes.

Well, that's it for my needless leaks to follow SJ's leaks, but the takeaways:

• Better, more readable layout with different art and quotes.
• Mostly less controversial words, excepting indefinite pronouns (for economic reasons).
• More than 25 pages of "best of" rules skimmed from 21 years of system growth.
• Incidental glitch cleanup (e.g., mistaken "damage" for "injury," or "than" for "that").
• Promise of NO rules or page-reference changes to maintain total compatibility.
 

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Christian Hoffer

Christian Hoffer

Yes, but that's exactly the problem: The price tags can't really take into account that one and the same dis/-advantage can be of radically different value depending on your campaign, setting, even the current scenario ... so the idea that all 175-point characters should be able to apply roughly the same amount of influence to the world is jut an illusion. Depending on you campaign frame, they will be wildly different.
While I acknowledge the flaw, I don't consider it a serious flaw. Really, it's a flaw with near ubiquity across many, many game systems.

But putting a fixed price tag on everything is just pseudo-objectivity. Either the price tag is campaign-dependent and each settig needs its own list, which is not necessarily compatible with the others in terms of point costs, or you go the Fate route where you pay/are paid when something comes up in play.
Pseudo-objectivity is all we have. Not putting a price on Rank or other Advantages would be even worse I think.
 

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I bought the two core books three months ago.... same bad luck as with Numenera 3e.

I started creating a GURPS 4e fantasy character but never finished it. Had to ask for help on the GURPS Facebook group. It felt like the game was written for people who have prior knowledge of GURPs. That is not a good look for an RPG. I'll give it another try this Winter.
This is worth looking at.... GURPS Character Sheet it has a great program and there are videos on youtube.

Also, check out GURPS Lite, it's a free PDF. Worth a look.

If you feel like GURPS 4th is too dense, and honestly it is, try GURPS 3rd edition. It's far more accessible and easier to read.
Actually, try GURPS 3rd ed Lite. It's even better!
 

Just posted in the forums on SJG:
Kromm said:
Here's a follow-up to the earlier "What is this?" info that Doug shared and that I elaborated on. I was just cleared by Steve and by Marketing to share more – though not everything. None of this is likely to change, however . . . it will just be better-worded in official publicity. And no, I have no date as yet.


Bigger
  • A single omnibus volume. Like most modern RPGs. Eliminates duplicate endpapers to make room for game content.
  • 16 pages longer. Allows even more game content.
  • 27 pages of bonus content. We have filled the extra space with best-of and popular rules and traits, curated from 21 years of GURPS supplements and Pyramid issues.

Better
  • Rewording to improve clarity and address FAQs.
  • Errata fixes.
  • Sensitivity revisions for the modern reader.

More Accessible
  • Modern PDF. Allows better rendering, and faster searches and page-flipping.
  • Two-column layout with more spacious pages. Easier to read for all.
  • Machine-readable icons.

Plus Bells and Whistles
  • Prettier. New, distinctive cover, and new interior color art culled from the entire GURPS opus to better illustrate the material.
  • Informative box quotes. Gone are filler pull quotes, replaced with rules clarifications and summaries, and pointers to related rules and supplements.
  • Total backward compatibility. No rules changes – just clarity and errata fixes – and no page-reference changes.
 

Yeah, I like GURPS, but I wouldn't for example want to use it to run Forgotten Realms. I think it's ill-suited to the task.

Though they've at least moved away from the tendency early in the first edition to think the core magic system is an all purpose power tool (to be fair, it looked positively generic compared to things like the D&D magic system, but that's damning with faint praise, as the Witch World sourcebook's attempt to cram it into that setting showed) and have done a large number of more specialized magic systems. Even Hero struggled with that sort of thing, and it was better set up to customize magic systems out the gate because of its origin.
 

While I acknowledge the flaw, I don't consider it a serious flaw. Really, it's a flaw with near ubiquity across many, many game systems.


Pseudo-objectivity is all we have. Not putting a price on Rank or other Advantages would be even worse I think.

At the very least it would require more end-user design work than probably makes any sense to expect. BESM did that with its skill costs, but it didn't attempt to do it with everything else.
 

I have great sentimental attachment to GURPS, but let's be frank: The system is outdated. The Zeitgeist has moved past its level of crunch. If SJG is going to do anything with it, it's time for a fifth edition. Do for GURPS what D&D 5E did for v3.5. Streamline it. Edit out the problematic bits. Make it easier to start playing GURPS than it is to play, say, the Cypher System. There will always be a market for a universal RPG system, but the market for this universal RPG system moved on to other things 10 years ago. Minor revisions won't cut it.

Both Steve Jackson and I were at Gamehole Con this weekend. I wish I'd had the opportunity to say this to him directly.
I played a ton of 3rd edition back in the day. Honestly, I always felt it was way more complicated than it needed to be. But instead of streamlining things, SJG went the other way and crammed a bunch of the supplement rules into the core book, making it even messier.

I still think GURPS has potential if they ever decide to simplify it. But let’s be real, it seems like SJG isn’t aiming to grow the player base anymore. They’re probably just focused on squeezing what they can from the folks already in the ecosystem.
 

I played a ton of 3rd edition back in the day. Honestly, I always felt it was way more complicated than it needed to be. But instead of streamlining things, SJG went the other way and crammed a bunch of the supplement rules into the core book, making it even messier.

I still think GURPS has potential if they ever decide to simplify it. But let’s be real, it seems like SJG isn’t aiming to grow the player base anymore. They’re probably just focused on squeezing what they can from the folks already in the ecosystem.

Like I said, they can try to make the already extent ecosystem happier, or they can spend a lot of time and effort trying to push their way into the lighter generic market, which is already pretty saturated. If they're going to bother at all, I know which one I'd think made more sense.
 

Though they've at least moved away from the tendency early in the first edition to think the core magic system is an all purpose power tool (to be fair, it looked positively generic compared to things like the D&D magic system, but that's damning with faint praise, as the Witch World sourcebook's attempt to cram it into that setting showed) and have done a large number of more specialized magic systems. Even Hero struggled with that sort of thing, and it was better set up to customize magic systems out the gate because of its origin.
Yep. My favourite GURPS magic system is houseruling and repurposing GURPS powers.
 

I played a ton of 3rd edition back in the day. Honestly, I always felt it was way more complicated than it needed to be. But instead of streamlining things, SJG went the other way and crammed a bunch of the supplement rules into the core book, making it even messier.

I still think GURPS has potential if they ever decide to simplify it. But let’s be real, it seems like SJG isn’t aiming to grow the player base anymore. They’re probably just focused on squeezing what they can from the folks already in the ecosystem.
I've mentioned this in other threads about GURPS, but as I recall GURPS 2e and original 3e had fairly reasonable lists of skills and advantages. Then came approximately three billion sourcebooks about all sorts of stuff, many written by people who were experts on that topic, and since they were experts they knew things in more detail than the original game designers. This lead to many more skills and advantages and other rule bits being created within that narrow topic. This then got multiplied by approximately three billion sourcebooks, with some of it brought into the core itself and other things brought into the two Compendia, and later turned into 4e. And now we have a game where Electronics Operation (media)/TL X is distinct from Photography/TL X and they default to one another at a humongous -5, where Physiology/TL X is distinct from Physician/TL X, and which has a skill for Packing.
 

Ever thrown a grenade in GURPS?

yes

Full damage from direct impact.
Damage is less if farther away from the explosion.

That makes sense.

Some grenades create shrapnel, which is treated roughly the same as a rapid fire projectile weapon (margin of success determines hits)

In short: standing at ground zero of an explosion is bad for your health; being farther away or having cover increases your chances of survival
 

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