D&D General So… psionic powers are no longer purely mental?

[Maxperson]

I don’t think the psionics has made any mention of the weave as yet. Accessing the far realms perhaps.

All magic draws from the weave in 5e.

"All magic depends on the Weave, though different kinds of magic access it in a variety of ways."

 

[Maxperson]

Paizo built PF1 off of 3.5e's chassis and has been likened by some as 3.75e D&D. PF2 otoh is a different story and has become its' own RPG.

Yes, it was similar to and likened to a 3.75e, but it was not really 3.75e. It was still Pathfinder and not truly a D&D product. As such it could get away with things that a D&D product cannot.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

What Pathfinder did wouldn’t really work for Dark Sun, but would be a great fit for Ravenloft.

But that’s the thing, you are getting into the territory of setting specific magic systems. Nothing wrong with that, but 5e tries to be non-specific.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

All magic draws from the weave in 5e.

"All magic depends on the Weave, though different kinds of magic access it in a variety of ways."

But you said psionics ain’t magic! That’s your difference - magic uses the weave, psionics uses the far realm. But what they do in practical terms is the same.

And frankly, “the weave” is just copy-pasting Forgotten Realms lore into other settings, even when it makes no sense. No dead gods of magic in Eberron. Best to assume “the weave” means different things in different settings.

 

[Corinnguard]

What Pathfinder did wouldn’t really work for Dark Sun, but would be a great fit for Ravenloft.

Yeah, psychic magic is too eco-friendly.

 

[Maxperson]

But you said psionics ain’t magic! That’s your difference - magic uses the weave, psionics uses the far realm. But what they do in practical terms is the same.

And frankly, “the weave” is just copy-pasting Forgotten Realms lore into other settings, even when it makes no sense. No dead gods of magic in Eberron.

I have consistently said that I have no problem with psionics being an internal magic(so it fits in with other magic) that has no V, S, or M.

The Weave wasn't copy-pasting the FR lore if you actually read that side bar. Every universe has magic suffusing it that is drawn upon. The FR has the Weave. Other universes have other versions that are not a weave. It's just a generic term being applied, rather than specifically a weave.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I have consistently said that I have no problem with psionics being an internal magic(so it fits in with other magic) that has no V, S, or M.

5e has pretty much already established, through the GOO warlock and Aberrant Mind Sorc, that 5e psionics gets its power from the Far Realm. I.e it’s not “internal” magic. That’s your headcanon, nothing more.

 

[Corinnguard]

I have consistently said that I have no problem with psionics being an internal magic(so it fits in with other magic) that has no V, S, or M.

The Weave wasn't copy-pasting the FR lore if you actually read that side bar. Every universe has magic suffusing it that is drawn upon. The FR has the Weave. Other universes have other versions that are not a weave. It's just a generic term being applied, rather than specifically a weave.

The Forgotten Realms Wiki mentions under its' entry for the Weave that many other worlds and planes have Weaves of magic. They aren't the same as the Weave of Toril and Realmspace. But they do exist.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Weave#The_Weave_Across_Reality

The Weave in 5e now appears to be a multiversal constant.

 

[Maxperson]

5e has pretty much already established, through the GOO warlock and Aberrant Mind Sorc, that 5e psionics gets its power from the Far Realm. I.e it’s not “internal” magic. That’s your headcanon, nothing more.

No. Those two aren't enough for that. At best it has established a minor, alternate way to get some minor psionic ability. It has not been established that all psionics come from the far realm.

 

[Maxperson]

@Paul Farquhar I just looked at those two subclasses and neither of them says or implies psionics draws from the far realm.

The aberrant mind sorcerer gives various ways, "Far realm contact, astra psychic wind, mind flayer tadpole, etc.) that psionics were awaked within you, but none of them say that psionics draws upon the far realm, and the astral psychic wind doesn't even refer to the far realm at all.

The great old one warlock is similar. The great old one has just awaked mental power within you. The ability is literally called Awakened Mind, not Draw on Far Realm. The warlock's mind is awake with its own power now.