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[W'rkncacnter]

Are...you seriously saying that no average player ever plays a Cleric or Druid?

i THINK he's trying to say that if you're on this forum you're not an average player. which, like, in a SENSE is true, in that the average player doesn't use this forum, but the implication is every player on this forum is above average at playing the game and identifying imbalance, which is...definitely one of the assumptions of all time.

 

[Zardnaar]

i THINK he's trying to say that if you're on this forum you're not an average player. which, like, in a SENSE is true, in that the average player doesn't use this forum, but the implication is every player on this forum is above average at playing the game and identifying imbalance, which is...definitely one of the assumptions of all time.

Most players don't care about mechanics and nitpicking we do here.

A lot are just trolling old grudges or whatever. Not actively playing, cant find a game etc.

Big thing elsewhere is finding a game. An established group eith reliable players and stable game seems to be a rarity.

One player other day told me my groups the 2nd such group he's really encountered. 3/5 of the others came from games exploding.

I'll run for newbies but im essentially filtering to find ideal players . Recruiting veterans is hard.

Right players is available, reliable, and likes things like board games as well.

I've stopped recruiting as such from gamestores and typical geeky sources. Average anout 1 recruit a year as thats my turnover.

My grouos weird apparently. Swings older, more organized and we clean up after ourselves.

 

[W'rkncacnter]

A lot are just trolling old grudges or whatever. Not actively playing, cant find a game etc.

if the average player doesn't even play the game then how can they be a player at all?

 

[saviirkad]

Are...you seriously saying that no average player ever plays a Cleric or Druid?

I'm seriously saying that if the person is posting here, then they are not an average player, nor playing at an average table.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

I'm seriously saying that if the person is posting here, then they are not an average player, nor playing at an average table.

I never spoke of people on this forum.

I spoke of people writing Cleric or Druid on their sheet.

 

[saviirkad]

I never spoke of people on this forum.

I spoke of people writing Cleric or Druid on their sheet.

You specified people in this thread.

i THINK he's trying to say that if you're on this forum you're not an average player. which, like, in a SENSE is true, in that the average player doesn't use this forum, but the implication is every player on this forum is above average at playing the game and identifying imbalance, which is...definitely one of the assumptions of all time.

"Above average" is a quality judgment on offline players that I would not be in agreement with. I'm not making a superiority claim.

"Outside the average" in terms of just numbers, yes.

 

[W'rkncacnter]

"Above average" is a quality judgment on offline players that I would not be in agreement with. I'm not making a superiority claim.

"Outside the average" in terms of just numbers, yes.

then why does it actually matter if they're on this forum? if the only difference you're claiming makes people here outside the average is that they're here specifically, then wouldn't it stand to reason that there's no actual reason to assume an average player wouldn't be able to make the same observations about the game that someone in this thread could?

 

[saviirkad]

then why does it actually matter if they're on this forum? if the only difference you're claiming makes people here outside the average is that they're here specifically, then wouldn't it stand to reason that there's no actual reason to assume an average player wouldn't be able to make the same observations about the game that someone in this thread could?

I'm not sure where I said it was the only difference, but to clarify, no. It's a difference, a tangential one. When the level of hobby engagement leads someone to joining online discourse, when their exposure and experiences are now outside that of the average players, then what they observe (whether directly or as directed) is no longer an adequate bellewether of the average players' observations.

 

[Zardnaar]

I'm not sure where I said it was the only difference, but to clarify, no. It's a difference, a tangential one. When the level of hobby engagement leads someone to joining online discourse, when their exposure and experiences are now outside that of the average players, then what they observe (whether directly or as directed) is no longer an adequate bellewether of the average players' observations.

This. 3E shivering was very different to what I observed at real tables.

Most people dont join or post of forums, reddit or even watch D&D YouTube channels.

Mearls has referenced this and the designers of 4E though forum complaints were representative. Oops.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

You specified people in this thread.

...

I used people in this thread as an example of this actually happening at real tables, yes.

But it doesn't have to be them. It can literally be anyone. Literally anyone writing "Cleric" or "Druid" at the top of their sheet is already MILES ahead of someone who writes "Monk" at the top of their sheet. It takes substantial effort for a Cleric or Druid to fail to overshadow a Monk in 3.5e D&D.

Any further nitpicking? Have I jumped enough hoops yet?

"Above average" is a quality judgment on offline players that I would not be in agreement with. I'm not making a superiority claim.

You literally are though.

Because your argument is just false if you're arguing people here are worse at playing than the average--that would mean the average player would see more overshadowing, not less!

"Outside the average" in terms of just numbers, yes.

What numbers? Oh, of course: numbers that would indicate people here are better at playing. Because you need that in order for your argument to even remotely cohere.