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UngeheuerLich · Jan 21, 2022

Micah Sweet said:
What's happening here, at least for my part, is that I prefer the way 5e was designed until 2020, when to my mind a gear change clearly began to be made. 5e in 2014 is what became super-popular after all, so it's hard to believe the designers were making it under duress. And bad-mouthing the fans of 5e Classic, whether it be by fans of New 5e or the designers themselves, is uncalled for.

Noone will take your books away.
You can use them forever. I know this is common knowledge, but it seems it didn't stick.
So let other people be happy with the evolution of the design.
What do you expect wotc to do? Shouldn't they update the rules to be a better fit for the newer generation and make some money out of it?
That is what corporations should do if they want to make money in the future. They probably won't get money from you, but they already got yours. And you were happy for nearly ten years.
Isn't it fair that younger people will be happy for the next few years?

If you think it is only due to social media pressure, that is ok. Time will tell if you are right to doubt the shift in preferences or if wotc is right to go with the flow.

Aldarc · Jan 21, 2022

Micah Sweet said:
What's happening here, at least for my part, is that I prefer the way 5e was designed until 2020, when to my mind a gear change clearly began to be made.

...and the only reasonable explanation you found for the gear change you perceived in 2020 was designer engagement on a social platform that has been available since 2006? I get the sense that you are trying to find a scapegoat for changes you dislike that the designers themselves may genuinely want to make. The designers can't have their own opinions about their changes. It must be the fault of those Twitterverse people! Why can't you take the designers at their own word that these are changes that they have wanted to make for quite some time now?

Edit: I think that it's fine if you don't like these changes or the direction that WotC is taking D&D. However, I don't think anything is gained by creating conspiracy-like narratives or insinuating that the designers are merely caving in to an amorphous Twitter-mob you can point to when it comes to changes you dislike. A relevant comic that I like pulling out for such discussions:

Micah Sweet said:
5e in 2014 is what became super-popular after all, so it's hard to believe the designers were making it under duress.

This is a bit incoherent. I don't get how the latter follows, precedes, or relates to the former. It's an ad populum argument that doesn't really relate to anything.

Micah Sweet said:
And bad-mouthing the fans of 5e Classic, whether it be by fans of New 5e or the designers themselves, is uncalled for.

Forget imaginary dragons. I can't even see the windmills you are tilting at with this one.

billd91 · Jan 21, 2022

UngeheuerLich said:
Noone will take your books away.
You can use them forever. I know this is common knowledge, but it seems it didn't stick.
So let other people be happy with the evolution of the design.
What do you expect wotc to do? Shouldn't they update the rules to be a better fit for the newer generation and make some money out of it?
That is what corporations should do if they want to make money in the future. They probably won't get money from you, but they already got yours. And you were happy for nearly ten years.
Isn't it fair that younger people will be happy for the next few years?

Honestly, evolution is less of a problem than casting aspersions that the game was "crippled" by including traditional elements. Change is change - people will grumble about that. At least evolution is less jarring than revolution. But some pot shots are unnecessarily pejorative.

Umbran · Jan 21, 2022

Remathilis said:
Clearly 5e was a mistake and WotC should have doubled down on 4e.

Mod Note:
There's already a moderator note in this thread asking folks to cut back on the snark.

If, soemhow, you got the idea that the note didn't apply to you, now is the time to disabuse yourself of that notion. It does, in fact, apply to you. Proceed accordingly. Thanks.

FrozenNorth · Jan 21, 2022

Remathilis said:
Clearly 5e was a mistake and WotC should have doubled down on 4e.

True dat. I blame social media for the fall of 4e.

Efdit. Apologies. I did not see the mod note before responding.

HammerMan · Jan 21, 2022

UngeheuerLich said:
Noone will take your books away.
You can use them forever. I know this is common knowledge, but it seems it didn't stick.
So let other people be happy with the evolution of the design.

You know "play as you want" is great advice until you realize that sword cuts BOTH ways... I like some of what I see as 5.5/6/annavsery edition but

UngeheuerLich said:
Noone will take your house rules away.
You can use them forever. I know this is common knowledge, but it seems it didn't stick.
So let other people be happy with the design as is.

UngeheuerLich said:
What do you expect wotc to do? Shouldn't they update the rules to be a better fit for the newer generation and make some money out of it?

no but I would expect respect when people disagree with the direction it is taking...

UngeheuerLich said:
That is what corporations should do if they want to make money in the future.

and how do they know what way will make more money if people shush people who disagree?

UngeheuerLich said:
They probably won't get money from you, but they already got yours. And you were happy for nearly ten years.

and that loss of money in the future may mean they have to readjust again... it might be helpful if people talked pro/con.

HammerMan · Jan 21, 2022

Remathilis said:
Clearly 5e was a mistake and WotC should have doubled down on 4e.

I agree
Edit. Apologies. I did not see the mod note before responding. I actually only saw someone else appologize now post posting)

HammerMan · Jan 21, 2022

Crimson Longinus said:
We have advanced from edition warring to mid-edition warring!

just wait until every game you join needs to ask "What rule set are you useing" even when 5e is mentioned... "5e pre or post tasha's, pre or post moster change" and that is before the anniversary edition updates...

DarkCrisis · Jan 21, 2022

I find it interesting that 4E era had "Good Orcs" in Faerun which Salvatore spent plenty of paper and ink to establish and then they "fixed" it was like "Oh no Orcs are bad" and again Salvatore had to spend ink and paper to re-establish this (and bring back his characters from death) and now Drizzt is at odds with his Goddess over if Orcs are good or bad.

And that was the start of start and middle of 5E and here we are.

WotC does indeed listen to the fans and change things as they see fit at a moments notice. Orcs bad, no good, no bad, no good!

HammerMan · Jan 21, 2022

DarkCrisis said:
I find it interesting that 4E era had "Good Orcs" in Faerun which Salvatore spent plenty of paper and ink to establish and then they "fixed" it was like "Oh no Orcs are bad" and again Salvatore had to spend ink and paper to re-establish this (and bring back his characters from death) and now Drizzt is at odds with his Goddess over if Orcs are good or bad.

And that was the start of start and middle of 5E and here we are.

WotC does indeed listen to the fans and chance things as they see fit at a moments notice. Orcs bad, no good, no bad, no good!

yeah at least 3e had good orcs and drow too I think all the way back did...

it is a meme that all orcs were evil by default D&D

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