Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2

The big two droid exemplars in the films are R2D2 and C-3PO. They seemed to be mentally complex beings with the ability to make decisions but strong base personalities (brave dedicated rebel agent and fussy extremely risk averse servant). In Jabba's they had the threat of droid torture to attempt to induce droid compliance which seems more something you do to beings with agency than to things with no agency and just programming. And there is always the threat of memory wipes for troublesome droids as Uncle Owen demonstrates. Could be droids are just good simulations of beings with agency, but it looks like they have agency and the way to really get them to no agency comply is with the restraining bolt things.

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Zardnaar said:
You don't know that.

Obey your master might take priority over don't impersonate a deity.

It's not something C3P0 did under his own initiative. Ergo he doesn't have true free will.
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Unless, of course, the final impetus that pushed him into obeying Luke and going against his programming was not that it was an order, but that his friends were in imminent danger and he chose to go along with Luke in hopes of saving them.
 


Voadam said:
The big two droid exemplars in the films are R2D2 and C-3PO. They seemed to be mentally complex beings with the ability to make decisions but strong base personalities (brave dedicated rebel agent and fussy extremely risk averse servant). In Jabba's they had the threat of droid torture to attempt to induce droid compliance which seems more something you do to beings with agency than to things with no agency and just programming. And there is always the threat of memory wipes for troublesome droids as Uncle Owen demonstrates. Could be droids are just good simulations of beings with agency, but it looks like they have agency and the way to really get them to no agency comply is with the restraining bolt things.

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Some droids. Most are not.

Legends did explain that droid torture. The model responsible was flawed. They made a model with sadistic tendencies.

Disney hasn't gone into enough detail afaik with how restraining bolts, memory wipes and independent droids work.

Everyone's either making up stuff or using legends assumptions.
 

Zardnaar said:
Some droids. Most are not.

Legends did explain that droid torture. The model responsible was flawed. They made a model with sadistic tendencies.

Disney hasn't gone into enough detail afaik with how restraining bolts, memory wipes and independent droids work.

Everyone's either making up stuff or using legends assumptions.
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Doing a little looking I see Legends is the rebrand of what used to be called the Extended Universe so the novels and comics and games lore from before Disney and back when Lucas authorized and had control and veto power over everything licensed out for canon lore purposes.

Between making stuff up and all of Legends' lore there are also people here working off what we see in the movies. :)
 

Voadam said:
Doing a little looking I see Legends is the rebrand of what used to be called the Extended Universe so the novels and comics and games lore from before Disney and back when Lucas authorized and had control and veto power over everything licensed out for canon lore purposes.

Between making stuff up and all of Legends' lore there are also people here working off what we see in the movies. :)
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Yeah on screen they don't go into much detail though. Eg restraining bolts or memory wipe.

A handful of droids might have free will (short list for me is 3).

Most do not however even on screen. B2s will basically kamikaze themselves because programming.
 




briggart said:
I’m not sure I get what that means.

Is this an Anakin thing in which some electronics, metals, plastics, etc spontaneously started assembling themselves from raw materials due to the will of the Force or some such?

Otherwise, somebody must have built the original kernel, which then went on to expand itself, but acting according to its original programming.

Is the point that whoever started building it did not control how the process progressed and left her growth down to chance?
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No. I think the idea is that she was originally built / programmed to be one thing but somehow gains sentience and subsequently rebuilt and reprogrammed herself.

Look at her Wookieepedia entry. Her backstory was provided in some canon novel I haven’t read.
 

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