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Graffiti was a phenomenal critical hit, no doubting that and it was a smash success. But the budget to profit claim is somewhat murkier because the 140M is an aggregate profit of two separate releases of the film and arthouse touring prints. The initial release of Graffiti in 1973 earned 55...

That's not entirely accurate. Of the top 10 highest grossing movies of 1977, Star Wars was the fourth most expensive coming in just behind A Bridge Too Far, Close Encounters and The Spy Who Loved Me. Star Wars was a hefty budget compared to most other films of the time and a dollar to dollar...

Only slightly higher, certainly not the purview of “many players” in either case

Having played both Vampire games at the table and in the Camarilla, the percentage of people going to Vampire explicitly hoping to hook up was a small portion of population I’ve encountered In some areas yea, in other areas no

So you think that WOTC exhibits a moral absolutism they expect the rest of the industry to adhere to, or was that just to get the last word regardless of whether it made logical sense?

We shouldn't though because this is a hobby and not something that should be beholden to the moral absolutism of any one person

Your distaste for it doesn't make it wrong

Kleenex, Band-Aid, Post-It's, Wite-Out, Dumpster, Popsicle, Tupperware This is a pretty common thing.

The point those hoping for a new non D&D renaissance are making is that the output we can see is all stuff that was in the pipeline before the OGL controversy. Their expectation is that larger companies will not divest themselves of 5e content as much as possible. In the case of Free League...

No, you're the one who belabored that conversation needlessly to try to bully pulpit your way into yourself and the OP being right about no game benefitting from backlash against D&D other than Pathfinder. You can be the one to let it go.

The players having issues with D&D in the 90's isn't a conclusion of the documentary, and thus is in no way suspect. I get that you now want to present as some serious academe rendering judgement on this documentary as lacking rigor because it does a thing you were unaware that documentary...

No, it's not like saying that at all. Because documentary filmmakers are not historians. So choosing people who are pro Vampire in a documentary about the phenomenon of Vampire results in statements less reliable about why those people chose to play Vampire over D&D than your 32 year old...

ALL documentaries cherry pick the people they interview to tell a particular narrative. That is how documentary filmmaking works. Your new goalpost about the balance of the documentary is an interesting conversation, perhaps deserving of its own thread. It does not however invalidate the...

Except of course it was an independently produced documentary shot at the Grande Masquerade LARP event. Yeah a lot the photogenic people made the cut, because that’s often who makes the cut. But how does that invalidate the statements the players made? Because if “felt” like a marketing tool...

What is the point of claiming that you were in the hobby at the time? The other person did it too. I also lived through that time, as did many other players. So? Neither Kevin Lee, Giles Alderson nor Henrik Johansson (the production team) owned White Wolf, CCP or Paradox. The documentary was...

It’s sales dominance was fueled by an undercurrent of displeasure with D&D and its market dominance I offered a bit of evidence containing interviews with both players and the creators of the World of Darkness, but you dismissed in favor of your own “expert” opinion.

Who cares, if they call it a long term campaign - who are any of us to say that it wasn’t?

Yes Well that's a very arbitrary definition that excludes 3 and 4 year long campaigns, but you do you. And yet there are people still playing in campaigns well after the designed level progression, they post about their experiences all the time in forums just like this one. Particularly 3.X...

I'm old enough that I was there too, but I'm not the one declaring categorically what other peoples motivations were as if I'd conducted a poll at the time. Yes but you didn't say "only a minority of people played Vampire because they had problems with D&D." You declared how things were. ... Kay

There is a very excellent documentary about the World of Darkness that features interviews with lots of Masquerade players who state they in fact DID play because they had specific issues with D&D