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Good thing I slipped in that disclaimer, Jim ;) I really could've sworn that the Cleric in the scenario came downstairs to speak with the paladin, but I'm getting old, the memory's a bit faulty, and I'm too lazy to shift through a 11-page thread for a minor detail.

Darn, this snuck in before my fact-fixing memo posted. ::Sighs:: We don't know this; the paladin never bothered to even use Detect Evil on him. We know he was playing some part in an evil act (the home invasion/etc.) but don't know if he's just a stooge. She wasn't murdered; in fact, she...

Curse of the 10-Page Thread No, I believe the halfling came to his door and was let into the paladin's house. Though in the course of a 10-page thread, maybe I'm forgetting facts myself ;) Also, there was no kidnapping, no attempted murder of the wife, and no confirmation that the halfling...

Maybe, but the paladin in this thread didn't even do that. He roughed up the halfling until he got a confession (perhaps under duress) that he was providing a distraction, found out that his wife had been assaulted (but apparently not harmed), and decided then and there to snap the halfling's...

Actually, they can if they grossly violate the code of conduct (3.5 PHB, pp. 44-45 under "Ex-Paladins"). We agree again. I'd add, though, that in addition to being the god's chosen instrument, a paladin is a living, breathing representative of the god on earth. And if even a handful of...

Yep, and he do it within the RAW as well. Yep, but at least the god took the time to discover that the halfling in question was: 1) Chaotic Evil, and 2) A Rogue

Hey! We're getting somewhere! As luck would have it, we know that the paladin in question serves Heironeous! Where in the RAW does it say that Heironeous is the god of vigilatism, instantaneous vengeance, or (heaven forbid) Smiting? If Heironeous isn't the Vicar of Vigilantes, then the...

But if he took those 18 seconds and DIDN'T get a Ping! on Detect Evil...does the halfling deserve a reprieve and a bit more investigating as to why he set up the diversion?

Gross violation of the Code: How about the part about respecting "legitimate authority?" He was apparently living in a large city, with its own set of laws, and he took justice into his own hands (most likely in a fit of rage). Committing an Evil act: Snapping the neck of a neutralized captive...

And since I'm tired of arguing, I'll agree too. If the case of the squeezed halfling was taken in the context of the typical day in the life of a D&D Chaotic Evil half-orc barbarian, it isn't that serious.

Can't argue with logic like that. Waste 3 rounds (18 seconds) to make sure I'm not killing a coerced, non-evil being or enjoy the warm, delicious feeling and delectably wonderful sound of snapping his spine right now? 18 looooooooong, boring seconds of Detect Evil (Gee, why don't they give...

Yeah, I suppose that makes sense. But where does the hand-holding end? If a party of 2nd-level PCs decides to march off to vanquish the ancient red dragon that leveled Waterdeep, do you also call a timeout and ask if the players really want to do that? I see your point but I guess I'm just...

Oh...I hate you! :lol: And if this evildoer doesn't answer your questions, is it OK to rough him up? If he tries to escape, is it OK to grab him, whoop him 'til he can't escape, and then snap his neck? Especially if you get him to admit that he did indeed kick that poor innocent toddler...

OK, let's play hypothetical here. A paladin who lives by the above code sees a 6-year-old boy kicking the crap out of a toddler. What does he do?

OK, fair enough. I don't fully agree, though. I feel that a player running a paladin should weigh his actions before taking them. I don't like that either, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. The raid/attack happened on the paladin's home and wife, not the player's. Unless the...

He didn't ignore evil. He realized the halfling was up to something, nabbed him, roughed him up until the little guy was in no condition to flee. He didn't "ignore evil." His next (logical) choice was to turn the halfling over to the city authorities, question him some more, or do something...

Technically true, but what then would you say WAS his motivation? The only two that I can think of off the top of my head are rage at the intrusion and attack against his wife or belief that the halfling was so undeniably evil that Heironeous wouldn't blink at the execution-after-disabling...

How about because the MM entry for halflings says "usually Neutral" and the paladin doesn't have a cool ability called "Smite Neutrality?" The again, Neutral is only one step away from Evil (*Smite!*) and halflings' favored class is Rogue, which you can argue is only new-fangled semantics for...

Does Heironeous demand lethal retribution every time one of his paladins witnesses an evil act?

TruthSeeker: Looking back on my earlier post, my wording was harsh. I apologize. I still think the point I made is valid, though. The paladin had more choices than you portrayed, the biggest of which was whether or not to use Detect Evil on the halfling. He chose not to, and also chose...