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I think you leave a lot on the table when you don't use a map. Or off the table as it were. When you use a lay out and terrain etc. a player may get the spark of an idea on how to better handle the situation. If there is no map or layout....how do i know what i might not be seeing? Back in the...

The fact that every PC is different and every DM is different makes this the opposite of a truism. I always advocate for everyone to play the game the way they like. Your opinion is different than mine and I'm ok.

It's truly a game of compromises. Trust the DM and ignore the players. :giggle:

Since I am the referee most of the time and there is no trophy or sponsorship contracts at the end of the rainbow; I go with logic and reason. In fact...a player declares their intent to hide...i look at the map and say....ok, you're pretty sure you are hidden. Before these meandering diatribes...

At first I thought they were trolling. Then I decided to take a chance and maybe help someone learn something. Not from the POV as a know it all; more like a mentor. Then it felt like trolling again. I said from the beginning that if they felt they were right then that’s ok too. All that...

I don’t have a problem with any of it. I was just enjoying the discussion.

The Taco Bell closest to me burned down and was never replaced. There is no meaning to anything anymore. :confused:

Which is why everyone is always arguing about the rules involved with stealth. Good luck in your journey to understand.

Bam!!! You got me. There are no rules on how to make a fire.

It’s an imperfect system my friend.

You win, everyone else must be wrong. Do i have to sign a release or a certificate that allow you to have won the conversation. Were just trying to explain the how and whys of things and you just keep asking for more. I think there is a term for that.

I can't tell if this is a joke or not.

The general rule that you can not build a non magical fire underwater would apply as there is no specific rule that states that I could.

Yes. This is why there are rules for stealth and hiding.

I wouldn't have to declare which way i was facing because there are no facing rules. You declare if your hiding or not and then make your skill check. That is the entire purpose of this thread. The rules for hiding and stealth are abstract and no one likes them!!!

To say we used the AD&D rules more a guidelines would be WILDLY understating the fact. :ROFLMAO: We had no earthly idea what we were doing back in those formative years. Not that i have much of an idea now. I just roll with it. ;)

You don't have 360 degree vision....you have the option to choose to see in any direction at any point during your turn. If you only get one action you get to pick which way you want to face. If you want to turn north to attack....then turn south to move, then turn NE for your bonus...

I don't have to, i'm not writing a rule book for fire building in a fantasy world. If i was i would try and include both general and specific rules for building fires. 🤷‍♂️

I've been playing and DMing for quite some time and it's never come up. I'm so isolated.

I have to ask now. When you use the facing rules, is it an action to turn to another facing?