D&D (2024) Thoughts on Stealth and D&D2024

[KYRON45]

Then you must be facing all directions at once, because the rules for determining LOS say you have LOS to any space you can draw an unobstructed line to from any corner of your own space.

This is correct. Since you do not have to declare which way you are facing, you can theoretically see everything. Why you ask?
So that you have options when it's your turn as there are no rules for turning to face something.

 

[ezo]

I showed you it is in the rules.

No, you didn't, if fact, do this.

Show where it syas it is not in the rules.

Every other piece of text in the books... there is NO rule for it ANYWHERE. Hence, it is "not in the rules".

Also you're moving the goalposts from facing doesn't exist in the game to show me a specific rule about facing.

Yeah, ok, whatever... I am not "moving goalposts" and never have.

If you say there is a rule in the book, I challenge you to FIND IT! Otherwise, there isn't one because--well, there just isn't. Look in all the text in the PHB and DMG 2024 version. No rule. None.

So, no facing exists as a rule (like it did in 2014).

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Sigh... once again, no rules on facing here... Not even a mention of the word facing.

Feeding y'all is getting tedious.

LOL yeah, tell me about it! Are you full yet???

I guess I will need the definition you are using for facing.

A rule that defines what direction a creature is facing

Works for me!

First as it has been stated several times there are no rules name or called facing in the 24 books.

HAH! Good, so you admit it. Glad we cleared that up.

and it is the most specific rule about facing.

Which are "none"...

Now since i can't tell if you are trolling or not i am going to bow out of this conversation.

No! Don't go yet! We are serving cake and ice cream later.

Just when i think i was out....they pull me back in!!!

HAH! Good.

Otherwise anytime a gard is posted at a point the party needs to get buy without being noticed the game breaks

Which is the entire point of these sorts of threads. The things that are "missing" from the rules.

They are literally the same thing you can only see what is infront of your eyes, your eyes are on your face, thus LOS is in the direction you are facing.

Nope. Not the same thing. I have Line of Sight in front of me, or to the sides, or wherever I can draw an unobstructed line between myself and a creature or object. There is no "at that time" in 5E 2024 about it.

Are you familiar with the Facing Rule from 2014? Here it is, page 253:

You won't find anything like this is 2024 (sadly).

 

[ezo]

Actually I’m pretty sure there are rules for this, at least kind of. The underwater combat rules say that creatures fully immersed in water have resistance to fire damage. So, fire damage spells must still work, or how else would creatures even take fire damage to resist it?

This actually was something in my game last Friday, and yep, I gave them resistance.

 

[MerricB]

Facing rules (for stealth purposes) lie under that DM discretion part. I would definitely adopt facing just for the purposes of stealth (under the heading of "Distraction"). They're not part of the core rules because there are so, so many things they break. (Look at the fear spell - you can only make a spell if you end out with no line-of-sight to the spell's caster. Can you make a save if you just look away?)

So, generally in combat situations we assume there's no facing. Out of combat, the DM can describe the situation as they like, and you can have facing as they rule.

Many thanks for @ezo for reproducing the 2014 facing rules - which I never used!

 

[KYRON45]

Facing rules lie under that DM discretion part. I would definitely adopt facing just for the purposes of stealth (under the heading of "Distraction"). They're not part of the core rules because there are so, so many things they break. (Look at the fear spell - you can only make a spell if you end out with no line-of-sight to the spell's caster. Can you make a save if you just look away?)

So, generally in combat situations we assume there's no facing. Out of combat, the DM can describe the situation as they like, and you can have facing as they rule.

I have to ask now. When you use the facing rules, is it an action to turn to another facing?

 

[MerricB]

I have to ask now. When you use the facing rules, is it an action to turn to another facing?

I don't use facing rules as part of combat. I use facing (and it's a stretch to call them rules) as part of exploration.

So, a lone rogue can sneak behind guards when their backs are turned. Once combat begins, I'm assume they're trying to perceive things everywhere, though I'd probably allow a rogue to cross a small distance of open ground and attack with advantage it they have a big barbarian waving an axe in their faces.

 

[KYRON45]

This actually was something in my game last Friday, and yep, I gave them resistance.

I've been playing and DMing for quite some time and it's never come up.
I'm so isolated.

 

[ezo]

How about a quote, a link, or a heading map to the entry, i don't have a physical copy.

I don't have access to the paid DDB link, but it would be after Using and Tracking Conditions under Running Combat in the Running the Game section. Look the the section titled Miniatures. If you get to Tracking Position at Long Range you have gone too far.

 

[kayakingpoodle]

There are no rules for how fire works under water, but you can cast fire relates spells underwater. Wait....can you? I don't even know if that last one was trtrue.

Magic fire may work underwater, but explain how you would build a non magical fire under water?

 

[kayakingpoodle]

I already quoted it, but here it is again.

“To determine whether there is line of sight between two spaces, pick a corner of one space and trace an imaginary line from that corner to any part of another space. If you can trace a line that doesn’t pass through or touch an object or effect that blocks vision - such as a stone wall, a thick curtain, or a dense cloud of fog - then there is line of sight.”

It’s in the combat section, under the line of sight heading, if you want to check for any additional context.

It does not say you can see every LOS at the same time.