D&D (2024) Thoughts on Stealth and D&D2024

[Selas]

So anything not specifically in the rules is not in the game? Ridiculous.

Just because there are no facing rules doesn't mean facing is not in the game.

The game doesn't recognize facing as a mechanical rule; that is not the same as DMs using the 2014 rules or homebrewing them

 

[Charlaquin]

So anything not specifically in the rules is not in the game?

Yes, that is how exceptions-based rules design works.

Just because there are no facing rules doesn't mean facing is not in the game.

It literally means that.

 

[KYRON45]

So anything not specifically in the rules is not in the game? Ridiculous.

Which is why specific beats general.
Sometimes you just have to trust your DM.
There are no rules for how many times you have to chew something before you can swallow it. (general)
You must chew a chicken nugget 28 times before you can swallow it. (specific)
D&D is a fantasy game, you can't always apply logic to every situation.

There are no rules for how fire works under water, but you can cast fire relates spells underwater. Wait....can you? I don't even know if that last one was true.

 

[kayakingpoodle]

DMG page 45 (sorry, I don’t have it on D&DBeyond)

To determine whether there is line of sight between two spaces, pick a corner of one space and trace an imaginary line from that corner to any part of another space. If you can trace a line that doesn’t pass through or touch an object or effect that blocks vision - such as a stone wall, a thick curtain, or a dense cloud of fog - then there is line of sight.

There you go, if you can draw an unobstructed line from any corner of a creature’s space to any part of another space, that creature has line of sight to that space.


Yes. Yes it does. Which is why we’ve been trying to tell you the stealth rules are broken.

See above - DMG page 45.

Yes and while facing the direction of that particular LOS, they cant be facing the opposite direction, thus there is no LOS "behind" them. At least for creatures with eye(s) on one side of their head.

 

[kayakingpoodle]

The game doesn't recognize facing as a mechanical rule; that is not the same as DMs using the 2014 rules or homebrewing them

That doesn't mean it does not exist in the game, it is clearly far to situational for a rule to work.

Where is the rule that says a creature can see all the way around the simultaneously?

 

[Charlaquin]

Yes and while facing the direction of that particular LOS, they cant be facing the opposite direction, thus there is no LOS "behind" them. At least for creatures with eye(s) on one side of their head.

Where is that written? The general rule is, if you can draw an unobstructed line from any corner of a creature’s space to any part of another space, that creature has line of sight to that space. If you can point to a more specific rule that creates an exception for spaces that are “behind” the creature, I’ll gladly concede this point. But you can’t, because no such rule exists.

 

[kayakingpoodle]

Where is that written? The general rule is, if you can draw an unobstructed line from any corner of a creature’s space to any part of another space, that creature has line of sight to that space. If you can point to a more specific rule that creates an exception for spaces that are “behind” the creature, I’ll gladly concede this point. But you can’t, because no such rule exists.

Where is the rule that says a creature can see all the way around the simultaneously?

 

[Charlaquin]

That doesn't mean it does not exist in the game, it is clearly far to situational for a rule to work.

It’s not too situational for a rule to work. There are many games that have actual rules for facing, including the 2014 DMG, though it was an optional rule.

Where is the rule that says a creature can see all the way around the simultaneously?

DMG page 45.

 

[KYRON45]

Yes and while facing the direction of that particular LOS, they cant be facing the opposite direction, thus there is no LOS "behind" them. At least for creatures with eye(s) on one side of their head.

You are conflating LOS with facing. Why?
There are no (non optional) rules for facing.

 

[kayakingpoodle]

It’s not too situational for a rule to work. There are many games that have actual rules for facing, including the 2014 DMG, though it was an optional rule.

DMG page 45.

How about a quote, a link, or a heading map to the entry, i don't have a physical copy.