D&D (2024) Thoughts on Stealth and D&D2024

[TaranTheWanderer]

I went one day not reading this thread and it blew up to 380+ posts. I had some ideas but it feels like I way too much to read through everything to figure out what’s been said already.

 

[kayakingpoodle]

The rules don't know what direction you are facing. That's why there are no rules for facing.
Now for real...i am out.

So how it it to be determined?

Line of site, that is what direction a creature is facing. There is no 360 degree of sight. That is metagaming, and fast tracking.
Otherwise anytime a gard is posted at a point the party needs to get buy without being noticed the game breaks.

Still waiting on that 360 deg vision rule citation.

 

[KYRON45]

I went one day not reading this thread and it blew up to 380+ posts. I had some ideas but it feels like I way too much to read through everything to figure out what’s been said already.

I've read them all.....its just people making the same argument over and over.

 

[Charlaquin]

How in the wild wild world of sports are the rules supposed to know what direction and creature in the game is facing?

They don’t, because D&D 5e doesn’t have facing rules. It assumes creatures have sight on 360 degrees. There were optional rules for determining facing in the 2014 DMG, but they were optional. 360 degrees vision was the default. The optional facing rules were also not reprinted in the 2024 core rulebooks.

To find out you would need line of sight to determine which would in most cases require whomever is in control of that creature to tell you.

A creature has line of sight to anything that isn’t blocked by cover or obscuration.

Unless the creature has blindsight, tremor sight, or true ssight it can only see what is in its cone of view in the direction it is facing.

Citation needed.

Only the player in control of that creature can know this and share it in most cases that it matters such as a creature trying to hide from it.

Citation needed.

 

[KYRON45]

So how it it to be determined?

Line of site, that is what direction a creature is facing. There is no 360 degree of sight. That is metagaming, and fast tracking.
Otherwise anytime a gard is posted at a point the party needs to get buy without being noticed the game breaks.

Still waiting on that 360 deg vision rule citation.

You pick a target within range and then declare your intentions. That's it. That's how "facing" works.

Just when i think i was out....they pull me back in!!!

 

[Selas]

I've read them all.....its just people making the same argument over and over.

It's funny, cause it's true...

 

[kayakingpoodle]

Here. Mind you, this is not the complete rules, but just enough to state my point:


This is not in 2024, and you can't claim that a blurb in the Hide action means this. So no, what you posted is not facing rules

Then how when hidden, can you decern if an enemy you can see is able to see you?

 

[Selas]

Then how when hidden, can you decern if an enemy you can see is able to see you?

The DM tells you, but that does facing rules makes not

 

[kayakingpoodle]

They don’t, because D&D 5e doesn’t have facing rules. It assumes creatures have sight on 360 degrees. There were optional rules for determining facing in the 2014 DMG, but they were optional. 360 degrees vision was the default. The optional facing rules were also not reprinted in the 2024 core rulebooks.

A creature has line of sight to anything that isn’t blocked by cover or obscuration.

Citation needed.

Citation needed.

So anything not specifically in the rules is not in the game? Ridiculous.

Just because there are no facing rules doesn't mean facing is not in the game.

 

[Charlaquin]

So how it it to be determined?

Line of site, that is what direction a creature is facing. There is no 360 degree of sight. That is metagaming, and fast tracking.

DMG page 45 (sorry, I don’t have it on D&DBeyond)

To determine whether there is line of sight between two spaces, pick a corner of one space and trace an imaginary line from that corner to any part of another space. If you can trace a line that doesn’t pass through or touch an object or effect that blocks vision - such as a stone wall, a thick curtain, or a dense cloud of fog - then there is line of sight.

There you go, if you can draw an unobstructed line from any corner of a creature’s space to any part of another space, that creature has line of sight to that space.

Otherwise anytime a gard is posted at a point the party needs to get buy without being noticed the game breaks.

Yes. Yes it does. Which is why we’ve been trying to tell you the stealth rules are broken.

Still waiting on that 360 deg vision rule citation.

See above - DMG page 45.