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Without knowing exactly what they are, I can imagine some very cool high level abilities for Afterimage Slash through reality Time Focus Stop

Agreed. I recently went back and looked at the 4e Fighter powers and was surprised that even at high level most are really mundane. It worked well in 4e though in the context of encounter level magic being changed and by just allowing for damage AND effects more generously --...

Yes, I know, why do we need another thread? Because I think @MichaelSomething is on to a good thing here. We do need lots of separate threads because in most threads the frames and assumptions are too broad and lead to tons of talking past one another. So why this thread? We have "Let's...

Yeah, right now that looks true. But I see that stance changing as more likely than nerfing casters. But who knows.

Yeah, I agree. I mean you can think of this mechanic to fiction one to one or mapping directly onto the fictional world, but I think it has way more cons than pros. To be fair D&D has always been all over the place on this and inconsistent. Hit points, the round as containing more "actions"...

I like the concept of what you are doing here, but I suggest you edit all your OPs to be very very explicit about all the assumptions you want the conversation to be bound by. Otherwise you are going to have the same kind of cross contamination as the other threads. For example, really...

I mean it's the PLAYER doing this though through their out of game world choice though, right? The character just realizes it later in life. I don't see this as problematic as it is a very, very common fantasy trope to discover you are special in some way later in life, start manifesting...

Sure, but that is why I keep a sliver of hope that we might see the Mythic Martial as an official separate optional class at some point. It's just trivial to add this mythic origin to the general D&D worldbuilding without any changes to anything else. Some people manifest these abilities...

I do believe this grounding is true. Although it doesn't have to have humans if other things -- emotions, gravity, hot/cold, etc. work similarly. Think Left Hand of Darkness. But and this is a big but, that really doesn't have to extend to PCs. Most of the world can be regular humans. But...

This is position that is easy to work with and can make a lot of folks either happy or fairly satisfied with a "consolidation prize" (e.g., they really want spellcasting nerfed but if not...) Maybe, it's about the assumptions and context about what else would or would not change though. It's...

A DM can do this and I think some do to help mitigate the martial / caster gap. But it’s really bad game design if that is a hidden requirement to balance.

One of the cows that should have been put down. Call them heroic stamina points or whatever.

Yep. There’s also a reliance on non magical inner strength that’s not really modeled in D&D. Captain America can be counted on to not wallow in pity when they end up in the dimension where doctor doom won or whatever. Also the less raw powerful hero’s are often the tacticians which is left to...

I agree with much of the analysis on why Fighters were better in earlier Ed (more damage vs monster hp, best saves, etc.). However it is unfortunately not possible to do this in a vacuum and not also consider all the changes to spellcasters, particularly wizards. Super fragile especially at...

Great! Another person that is ok with a Mythic Martial class and leaving the Fighter alone for those that want it, right? ECMO3 can verify but my understanding of their position is: spellcasters are fine as they are Fighters are fine as they are and create a certain game aesthetic we like...

I think us Mythic Martial fans should be clearer on this. I try to always talk about a new Mythic Martial class to make this clear, but probably sometimes slip. Many people use fighter as stand in for "non spellcasting martial hero that has primarily a physical mode of power which could or...

And we are talking at very high levels here anyway right. I can understand the argument that EVERY high level martial shouldn't be this kind of hulk, though. But of course, if we are creative and flexible they wouldn't have to be: 1) supernatural physical hulk 2) supernatural dexterity...

Absolutely. The Wizard can be studying and unlocking these difficult secrets offscreen, but a Fighter building up political power to attract followers in modern D&D must be played out in real time, round by round, person by person including all the random checks and DM fiat involved...

Not sure what the deal with Gandalf is. High level D&D magic is reliable, versatile, no cost, powerful, and plentiful. Gandalf may be powerful and a bit versatile but his magic wasn't so plentiful, probably because there was some high hidden cost to it. Can't draw attention from the...

For me, it's not so much that the normal human adventurer isn't a thing. It's that high level D&D pairs that with some other expectations/assumptions that I don't really see going together often in fantasy literature and also doesn't have any narrative currency or other ways to bridge the...