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Yep. That's pretty much my summation of it, too. That's why I make my players use the "Fixed Hit Points" method (as given in the DM's Guide). I am consistent in that everything among players and their characters be fair and square.

Against opponents in heavy armor, how were these highly dextrous characters -- who surely were hitting their targets most of the time -- getting much if any damage through? Anyway, as I've already said, if "Max Dex Bonus" is applied to attack rolls with missiles, to Reflex saves, and so on, as...

Oh, I'm sure those classes could be tweaked a little more to make them more equal than they already are. And I'm sure there are lots of people whose idea of a ranger (or whatever their particular "misrepresnted" or "mistreated" class might be) is not the same as the one(s) presented by 3E D&D...

"Alignment wars"? "MSB"? Forgive me, but I don't know what you're talking about, as your lingo is unkown to me. Unlike most of you veterans, here, my number of posts is still well under 1,000.

Well, of course the example I gave is silly. It was *meant* to be silly. But just because I don't want any randomness (i.e. unfairness) in my players creating their characters, doesn't mean I want to henceforth do away with all randomness, altogether. That's silly as well! Besides, after you...

Sorry. Discussing politics is certainly not on my agenda. I gave that example merely to point out how sacred cows can be a really bad thing. But I guess I should've thought of a different example. When the word "sacred cow" is used, it's almost always in reference to a political or religious...

For those of you who so adore the randomness and enjoy the surprise while creating your characters: Why stop with the dice roll method for generating your ability scores? Let the dice determine your race and class as well! Who knows? You may end up with a halfling rogue with a Str 16, a Wis 17...

My generalization is *not* that the point buy method is part of a foundation for a more interesting or intriguing campaign, as far as roleplaying or the storyline goes. If anything, my generalization is that the point buy method is part of a foundation for a more fair and balanced campaign.

Another thing: In these "Point Buy vs Dice Roll Methods" debates, I always see lots of alternative methods for the dice roll method, as if there weren't enough already given in the PH and the DM's Guide. Yet most of these alternative rolling (and re-rolling) methods get to be pretty convoluted...

Agreed. Why should one series of random rolls, at the outset, determine something that's going to affect your character for the entire campaign? Of all those players who I've debated with about "point buy vs. dice roll" methods for generating ability scores, those who prefer the dice roll...

So, then, the linchpins of D&D are not *exempt* from criticism -- they're *beyond* or *above* criticism? Well, then, I guess that makes D&D the "nerdvana" of RPGs. :rolleyes: Are you saying "fireballs at 3rd level" is one of these linchpins that you are a proponent of? Or is it acceptable...

A "sacred cow" is considered to be something -- usually, a belief -- that people are zealous against sacrificing, even though something better is being presented to them. My dictionary defines a sacred cow as "any individual, organization, or belief considered to be excempt from criticism." So...

"Aggressive"? Maybe so. I'm certainly not passive. But I've been mostly in the defensive mode, here. Many of those with the opposing viewpoint in this matter (and they are, by far, the majority) have not only attacked my ideas incessantly, but have attacked my character as well. I get lots of...

Right. It's style over substance. I'm getting that, now. (But, then, I tend to be hard-headed.)

Heh. That's something I had in mind, all along. But I thought I'd test the waters, here, to see what kind of reaction I'd get. :cool: BTW: When 3E D&D first came out, I was surprised by how many DMs and players I met who were so entrenched and enamored with 2nd Edition D&D, they got all riled...

I see. So, D&D is no more a simluation of medieval combat than is a console game like Final Fantasy, and all the medieval armor and weapons are, for the most part, mere costumes and props. Hmm... Maybe I *really* should consider switching to another system besides 3E D&D (much as I like most of...

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If deflection were the primary benefit armor, and not absorbtion, then you could make plate armor out of aluminum and still have pretty much the same benefit -- but, of course, that would be foolish. Afterall, breastplates have been around since the Bronze Age, yet a breastplate made out of...

There you go again, making personal assumptions about me. :rolleyes: Well, I *have* swung a real sword, numerous times in my life. And I've been a participant in the SCA. And I've been a student of Medieval/Renaissance history. And I have read numerous history and textbooks on...

Statements similar to that have been made several times, throughout this discussion. But even the DM's Guide admits that not all ability scores are equal. Take a look at the "Ability Score Equivalences" table on page 24, and read the adjoining paragraphs, to see for yourself.