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Don't disagree at all. Something like the different types of vision are definitely ways to distinguish different species from each other... for my own personal feelings though in this specific instance it ends up coming down to just how different the different types work, and whether the...

Yep. For some people storytelling exercise does not equal game... for others it does. And both work for the people who are on both sides.

100%. The GM runs what they want to run. If they can find at least 3 players then they are good to go and everyone else can go twiddle their thumbs. :)

Sure. But "If all players and DM agree on some point in the fiction, then that fiction is True" can be a Rule too. Meaning that this is still a game. But if a person wants/needs/believes they also need dice rolling and math and other allowances to do things beyond "if everyone agrees, then...

You bring up a very good point and which extends my own feelings out from it... which is that I would be more inclined to be okay with game mechanics for denoting different species (for example) if those mechanics actually always worked and were unique to that species and made them functionally...

For me personally... I always tend in these sort of discussions to go with the idea that the numbers and the math and the "rules" for doing things are what we would call "game mechanics". But anything that occurs that is just agreed upon by all the players involved (DM and players) as being...

Not necessarily. It really depends on how free-form the DM (and the players) are willing to play without requiring dice rolls to do things, and instead just act and make decisions in the manner that the species features suggest. If someone is playing a shifter (for example) and their species...

I suspect that for a large number of players... the system itself has little to do with someone's interest in playing it. Rather, it'll be the genre of story their character will be living in that will impact them more than the methods for rolling dice and adding numbers together. What's the...

Well, you all ain't getting explicit game rules text... just like no one got it in 5E14 either. Which means you all just have to make a Ruling. Just as you've done for the past decade.

DM determines how they are using stealth and invisibility at their table and tells the players. Players then use those rules or rulings of the DM to play the game. Any questions that come up will be decided by the DM with occasional recommendations from the players on how things might go. If...

I'd go up North into the Silver Marches and plop the Nentir Vale into the Sundabar Vale (using whichever sets of names you'd prefer, the Nentir names or the Sundabar Vale names.) The city of Sundabar sits on the River Rauvin like Fallcrest does on its river, so you can swap in Sundabar for...

Well, I did pay 8 pounds for the course of ten. :D

I guess if "It's doesn't matter what I do, cause everyone's going to screw it up anyway" is useful knowledge to a person, then I'll concede the point. :D Of course... most of us already know this already anyway so there's not too much of a point in bothering to ask the question, LOL.

How something like this "rolls off the tongue" does not matter in the slightest. It takes a person literally less than 1 second to say what they mean. Saying "the 2024 revision of 5E" or "6th Edition" does not impact anything. You forgot about the third and correct version: 'fully compatible...

What difference does it make? They don't call it a new edition and a bunch of people say "Yes it is!"... or they call it a new edition and a bunch of people see how little of the totality of the game was actually changed and they say "No it isn't!" What is the actual result of either option...

Really? Seeing thousands of different people all of whom have thousands of different interpretations and uses of a rule is useful? :D To me, that just seems the result would be to not bother writing any RPG rules at all, since every single player would only be stretching every rule like taffy...

I think we should hold off on getting concerned about this until we have evidence that it actually is happening. One errata document does not a trend make.

BTW - I wonder how many people are going to read the thread title and wonder if Mike is talking about "secretive" errata that WotC is trying to sneak into the game... rather than what it actually is... errata about Stealth. ;)

I don't care enough about all the terminology and wording regarding all the facets of hiding, stealth, cover, concealment, invisibility etc. etc. myself... but just from a common-sense POV... If you are hidden because you are behind heavy cover... See Invisible doesn't let you look through...

Yep. On the one hand it was great to get balance changes put almost immediately into the DDI Character Builder so we could use them... but on the other hand, that speed and precision towards getting the balance "right" meant that many folks over there started getting so into the weeds over...