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While I'd love to see some of your choices come back, I'd rather they were doneby anybody except WOTC to avoid a repeat of the FR slaughter

AAAHHHHHH ! this is horrible !!!! I might have to buy 4e after all..... ark ! bleargh !

Bards are one of the traditional roles that come to mind when people envision the middle ages.

Thank you for your constructive debate. Also, everybody has a bad day now and then. now, when you see the same poster picking a bone every time ... well it gets old for everybody. Oh, and I forgot something, even though this is early : a good adventure is good, regardless of the game system. I...

There might be something worth salvaging, or interesting enough to make me change my mind, though so far, I don't see how this could possibly ever happen. It is also interesting from a business and sociological perspective to see who buys into what marketing arguments. Oh, it also allows me to...

Seriously, after all the talk on sacred cows what did you expect ? Sacred cows had an advantage of continuity, but were a problem for some authors, as they were limiting their "creative" input. Now they are creative : they can write whatever they want, and screw consistency out of the window...

Why not buy Paizo's " Classic Monsters revisited instead ? It should be out fairly soon.

You're right my friend ! Them () Do not deserve more than the minimum. :D Fun is to 4e what the iron rations were for 1e.

So now there are witch hunts on suspicion of trolling ? Is it not a bit rude to say this to his face, especially as his question seems quite legitimate ?

So that's like the bayou halfling of Spellbinder games ? IMO lame.

Moooo !!! Mooooo !!!

No, it would give them too much of a kick.

There is another angle : the Times of Trouble had plenty of design problems, but you could *PLAY* through it, and in a home game, you could potentially take your world to an interesting new direction. Even outside the canon. The 4e direction seems like "our way or no way". now be a good sheep...

Sorry to disappoint you, but I think the Greyhawk fans are at least twice as rabid as the FR ones. Now, me ? I am a fan of both, so ...

Ah, ah, you're wrong. They wanted to keep the initials FR. Except now, this is the Forgotten Ruins. Now : a message to the would be target audience of the new 4e Rea ... err ... Ruins : they are forgotten for a reason. :D

I object to this : it's not nonsense as long as you shell out the cash. In FR case, that means buying every crappy supplement and barely-written novel that comes along.

Quoted from Dork tower : These are the little Things that count.

"Shut up and Give Up" : That was not my intended meaning, far from it. If you think lost revenue does not matter to them, why do you think arguing will help any more ? Besides, I will reverse your argument : if you complain, gnaw your teeth, AND Keep buying ... why would they listen to you ...

Good points. You know, there 's solution to the problem : don't like something ? Do like me : don't buy it ! If you protest emptily before WOTC diktats and still keep buying their stuff, why the hell should they change their lines ? Their only weak point is their wallet, so roll a crit againt it !

I do not want to go 4e at all. The only reason I MIGHT want to go 4e is if Living Arcanis continues in 4e. And then again, that's not even certain to fit the bill. Now, I know some publishers can write well enough that their products that something interesting can still be salvaged from it...