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Ahh ok. Thanks for the clarification, Mr. Orange Kitten.

You made a statement that the designers have said its assumed PCs will be down to 80% after each encounter. I said, as far as I know, they have said that a Wizard who uses all his Vancian spells will be down to 80%. Two different things, but similar enough that they might be confused or...

Its a logic thing. Logically, if a piece of art is objectively bad, then anyone who sees it as good is incorrect/their opinion isnt valid. But either way, as you say, wether they are connected or not many people, most of them in the "objectively bad art" "camp" seem to feel that they are...

Really this just about sums up what I've been saying, or at least a great deal of it. Especially the bit about objective qualities...I do think there are such, or at least nearly objective qualities, ones almost everyone can agree on. But as you say, the overall work is always still subjective...

How is this different from now?

But it does improve it. If the fighter has Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades for example he can use it with a longsword, greatsword etc rather than just a longsword. I dont really see any way to "resolve" the problem as long as fighters have much of any abilities or whatever tied to...

As far as I am aware, the only thing the designers have stated involving 80% resources is that a wizard who has used up all of his per-day vancian spells will be at 80%

That isnt the only question I ask. However, I believe virtually all works of art have entertainment/enjoyment as one of their often several purposes. And I do feel that quite a few works have it as their main or sole purpose. Many of these get labeled "bad" because they are not, nor do they try...

I say the purpose of art is in the intent of the creator and to some extent the experience of the experiencer. But either way, it remains the same. Most art has many purposes. And it generally succeeds in those purposes with some, and fails with others.

Yea, thats what I was talking about. You seem to be coming from an academic/clinical standpoint based on criteria set down by the "literary elite" or whatever...people "educated" in these matters, supposedly. (I dont say that to be derisive of you or your personal opinions, just of the whole...

Yep, the physical skill of one muscian can be better than another. But lets say they both write their own music. How does one determine which song is "better" than the other? Since in the end, the purpose of both is to be enjoyed. He may be far more effective at communicating them to some...

I know. That was my point :)

Thats not how I understand the definition of either word, but ok. To me merit and value both imply more or less exactly the same things. And they are subjective, but as such all artistic works would still possess them, since there are going to be people who assign/experience value or merit from...

Two words. Weapon. Groups. We can hope.

On a side note, I can't remember ever having experienced reading/seeing a book, story, movie or whatever that I felt was "bad" in the way that all of you talk about. I've seen/read plenty that bored me, or that I didnt care for. I've encountered some that put forth views that i disagree with, or...

I am not talking about "critiquing" it in any academic sense. I am talking about 1) people forming their personal opinion of it and 2) determining wether it has value and merit, which as near as I can tell, all artistic works do. Nope. I'm stating that all artistic works have value. And...

From myself. But I don't claim that they necessarily apply to anyone but me. For instance, I tend to be bored by most "regular" drama, comedy and even action stories that lack supernatural/unusual elements. But I dont consider most of the things that bore me "bad", I just consider them boring...

I wouldnt call that a real opinion of the work. Its probably more like a generalized opinion of similar works etc. I dont really have any issues with any opinion of a work, unless and until someone tries to say their opinion is some sort of objective truth. By my own personal...

Very much so, from what I understand. Probably to a greater degree than the reverse.

Thats what I meant to say. I'm a little tired and its affecting my typing.