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Let them try. What's going to happens is they'll burn through those slots even faster and the martial classes will still be able to take many short rests while the casters are waiting out their long rest. You didn't explain how those few spell slots outlasted the hit dice, however. ;-)

Those are a long rest resource. That helps but doesn't work with an argument for short rest recovery options. ;-)

Why would it be the "end of the day" if the casters still have spell slots and the martials can take a short rest to recover resources? Why did they run out of hit dice so fast (the party has way more hit dice than the casters have spell slots dedicated to healing)?

That assumption is there because we're comparing spell slots that require a long rest to recover to martial abilities that require a short rest to recover. The martials are actually resting more often but the rest can be done many times while the casters are still taking that one rest. I like...

I was confused because a 5th level cleric has 9 spell slots that aren't all dedicated to healing. A party of five has 25 hit dice available for healing plus potions plus whatnot. IME the spells are the smaller part of the healing. I find 7-8 healing potions each to be a high number but...

I separated this because I have to question why you think we would need 100 potions at 5th level.

If you play with Bastion rules each PC can have a herb garden in it that produces either one free healing potion or ten healer kits. A greenhouse as a 9th level bastion facility grants a greater healing potion per week. Even if you don't hand out much money there are still other ways to add...

A cleric's few spell slots at low levels don't go far either. That's why I bring up crafting. Twice as many potions for the same money time permitting. It's also why I bring up other sources of healing. The healer feat is still good regardess of the changes.

Sure, manipulation of dice and initiative is good. My disagreement is that martials need to follow the caster time table based on spell, that the reason for this is because the martials need the casters for healing or they can't continue, or that this causes martials to not be able to continue...

Maybe, but what you use and what the rules use are different. Anyone can administer a healing potion with a bonus action, and anyone can learn to brew healing potions. They take all of a day to craft so they can be stockpiled during downtime. My current rogue (thief) is a wannabe bard who has...

It's not just hit dice and healing potions. It's also class abilities, subclass abilities, and feats. We can't ignore those because there's a lot of options in there. There's a load of healing outside of spells. That's why casters are using their spell slots on DoT's or status effects or...

We don't need casters to heal. Healing is still something we do when things go wrong, but we have hit die healing, potions as basic equipment, various class abilities, and various sources of temporary hit points. These things generally provide more hit points than a few spells. That's only...

Elemental Adept still gives that bonus to a spell casting stat and slight bonus to damage when 1's count as 2's. I would take it on a themed build that focuses on an element. A lot of monsters are resistant to cold (64 in the MM if I count correctly), for example, so if I want to make a...

The concern I have with crunching numbers like that is the assumption that everyone takes a long rest just because the spell casters want to take a long rest. I think that's a silly assumption. If the party can ignore the better part of the 24 hour cycle required to benefit from 8 hours of...

Yeah, the 9 hour long rest for using long term short rest abilities is definitely a thing. I pick up prayer of healing on bards often enough too for that faster extra short rest. As a DM, I typically tell the players when they have the opportunity to rest as opposed to the players telling me...

Hi. Pleased to meet you. Now you've met one. ;-) Unlimited short rests is still a very strong word. More than two short rests often fits the pacing in wilderness or urban adventures, however.

I was working on point by point rebuttals, but it became lengthy so I'll just point to a few things. Your math isn't wrong but how you're applying it is flawed. There's an inherent conflict between applying the law of large numbers and ignoring those same large numbers outside of the very...

I just wanted to point out that at high levels a battle master can combine menacing attack with push using any weapon from tactical master to play the frighted and away game. Relentless makes it once per turn, not two free casts in a day, plus spending superiority dice can due it to up to three...

Yeah, fireball doing some damage might cost the enemy actions at the end of combat by killing them sooner, but spells like fear, hypnotic pattern, and slow cost them actions up front. Slow is also more party friendly because it's selected targets in the area while hypnotic pattern, fear, and...

I don't take hold person on classes who cannot easily swap prepared spells because it's only effective against humanoids. Compared to slow in the same slot it's two humanoids (hold person) vs up to six creatures (slow) so I prefer slow. On a wizard's who can easily swap spells taking hold...