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The UA Phantom Rogue still seems boring and outdated in 5e2024. The Wails from the Grave basically unchanged, which still does subpar damage and nothing else. Dex Mod per long rest is slightly better than 2014, but doesn't change the fact that "just a 2d6" is pure boring. Whispers of the Dead...

Oh, it's just our table tends to call those low-hp easily-killed monsters "Minions"

Already did.

So this is a bit late for a feedback report, though I still think it worth posting. Anyway, my friends and I had this 5~9 quick playtest campaign with the new subclasses recently, and the Scion of the Three looks great overall, but it turned out to be rather boring when comes to real play. Most...

Yes but the problem is you can't even get an attack with advantage through Hide, if you rule like that. This is also stated in the post. You have to walk out of the cover in order to make the attack. Hiding behinde a 3/4 Cover will not be working at all, since 3/4 Cover won't be blocking your...

Then what's the purpose of Hide action? It'll be unusable that way, which also basically means a Rogue could never make a melee attack with Hide.

Let's change an example. Will you allow your players to repeatedly take Study action to remember something they didn't until they rolled a N20?

Well, technically, players can't keep rolling until they get a N20. Only DMs can ask players for a check, which is RAW. DMs also won't let players to Hide a a mile away if there's no reason and nothing near to Hide from, which is also RAW. In practice, this just won't happen even if we didn't...

Good one! I'll add it to my post.

About this, my point is that if the character passsed both of the DC and beating every monster's Passive Perception with their PP potentially raise up 5, at lower levels or lower Stealth, but somehow luckily passed it, then just narrate it luckily, as it actually happened in the reality (since...

There's been a lot of arguements about Hiding recently, and I have a copy of PHB from Gen-Con (actually it's my friend's book, he went to the Gen-Con and brought one back, very lucky of him). After thoroughly reading it through, I've found that the "Sneaking Rule" actually breaks into five...

It seems players can Scribe a Spell Scroll from Expanded Spells Lists, But you CAN'T use the Scroll that you've just Scribed in 5e2024. Also, Arcane Trickster and Eldritch Knight could NEVER use a Spell Scroll, which these are bugs I believe. The updated "Spells Chapter (Chapter 7)" has defined...

I guess our biggest disagreement lies in the part of "Rogue was good". It is only good for tables without Feats, and only "feels" good to some players who only care "Oh I throw a lot of dices at a time!" To me, and to so many players who do pay attention to "what's happening in the game" and...

I really wonder why you admit fixing other classes' problems could be considered "needed" while Rogue being the absolute weakest class in the game isn't a problem that "need" to be fixed. All the examples you've just made clearly conveyed the situation that Rogue is facing now. It has nothing...

They were having a ~90% approval rating cuz the UA7 and UA8 were later things. If Rogue was in the UA8, trust me it won't be getting ~90% approval.

...And they aren't a competent skill monkey in 5.5 either anymore. The "skill monkey" role is bad in 5.5e since everyone has been good at skills, and the skill system only allows player to succeed or failed a check. It makes no difference between passing a check with a 30 or with a 15.

That might be correct in 5e. But what the 5e2024 Rogue has been facing that too many classes are having similar features, good mobility, good skills, better damage, which make Rogue lacks a core feature that really make them "special" enough. It's more like "Why would I play Rogue instead of...

This post might be veeeery long. Though the playtest has been over, but I still want to discuss this topic again when I finally get a full reveiw of the UAs This post would not be a post about "How would I design it", but more like "What caused people arguing about Rogues, and what ways have...

The problem doesn't lies in unoptimized characters. The gap lies in characters with some sort of optimization. You can see the contrast here.