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It seems players can Scribe a Spell Scroll from Expanded Spells Lists, But you CAN'T use the Scroll that you've just Scribed in 5e2024. Also, Arcane Trickster and Eldritch Knight could NEVER use a Spell Scroll, which these are bugs I believe.
The updated "Spells Chapter (Chapter 7)" has defined what's a "Class Spell List". A Class Spell List is:
By so far, it seems still acceptable to me but then I suddenly finds out that Arcane Trickster and Eldritch Knight actually could NEVER use a Spell Scroll since their Spellcasting feature has stated:
Similar things also happens to those Expanded Spell List. You have those spells and see them as your Sorcerer/Wizard/Druid/Paladin/...'s spells, but those spells still doesn't belong to your "class's spell list", since now they have this term clearly specified in the rules.
And... This is bad, but still understandable to me. Like, yeah they haven't learned with these spells properly with formal training so like they might be able to cast it but can't read the Scrolls... Though the funny thing is JC clarified this back in 5e2014 that Wizard Spell Scrolls "intent" to be usable for these two subclasses, but days earlier JC have just confirmed that all of the older Sage Adices are outdated and does not suitable for 5e2024 rules.
But, then, I checked Prerequisites For Scribe (a Spell Scroll) and find it much more absurd:
I can cast it, I can Scribe it, but once I'm done, all the things that I've just written down suddenly become unreadable coded passwords that I cannot understand.
What the heck is this?
This was already a really old bug in 5e2014 but few people cared about. I believe this is why designers seem to have no idea about this, and they just copy-paste the old rules from 5e2014 and clarified some parts in it--Then the bad thing happened.
Even if I can persuade myself with some narratively fine explanations, but this still feels sucks when playing an Arcane Trickster/Eldritch Knight/Any Caster with Expanded Spell Lists and find yourself be able to Scribe some Scrolls you wanna use from your already-prepared-spells but you can't use it.
Sure we can just homerule it as we always have been doing, but it's still a pity for me that this bug is still alive in 5e2024. I'm hoping we'll be able to see new erratas to fix this.
The updated "Spells Chapter (Chapter 7)" has defined what's a "Class Spell List". A Class Spell List is:
and the description of a Spell Scroll is:
and also each Spellcasting Class has a section that literally called "Spell List", which means player's can't use a Spell Scroll even though it was Scribed with a spell that you've prepared form features like Magic Innitiate of Species' Traits like Elf. These spells only are only counted as being in your "character's spell list".
By so far, it seems still acceptable to me but then I suddenly finds out that Arcane Trickster and Eldritch Knight actually could NEVER use a Spell Scroll since their Spellcasting feature has stated:
Which means, your class is still the "Rogue/Figher" and your class doesn't own a "Spell List". You don't have your "class's spell list", but instead, all your spells are more like borrowed spells from the Wizard Class, while you happend to have some slots to cast it.
Similar things also happens to those Expanded Spell List. You have those spells and see them as your Sorcerer/Wizard/Druid/Paladin/...'s spells, but those spells still doesn't belong to your "class's spell list", since now they have this term clearly specified in the rules.
And... This is bad, but still understandable to me. Like, yeah they haven't learned with these spells properly with formal training so like they might be able to cast it but can't read the Scrolls... Though the funny thing is JC clarified this back in 5e2014 that Wizard Spell Scrolls "intent" to be usable for these two subclasses, but days earlier JC have just confirmed that all of the older Sage Adices are outdated and does not suitable for 5e2024 rules.
But, then, I checked Prerequisites For Scribe (a Spell Scroll) and find it much more absurd:
And... Nothing more! Then what does this mean? This means anyone who has the spell prepared, no matter through Magic Initiate, Species, or Expanded Spell Lists, can Scribe the corresponding Spell to a Scroll if they also have the proficiencies needed--But they CAN'T read it and use it if that spell isn't in their "Class's Spell List".
I can cast it, I can Scribe it, but once I'm done, all the things that I've just written down suddenly become unreadable coded passwords that I cannot understand.
What the heck is this?
This was already a really old bug in 5e2014 but few people cared about. I believe this is why designers seem to have no idea about this, and they just copy-paste the old rules from 5e2014 and clarified some parts in it--Then the bad thing happened.
Even if I can persuade myself with some narratively fine explanations, but this still feels sucks when playing an Arcane Trickster/Eldritch Knight/Any Caster with Expanded Spell Lists and find yourself be able to Scribe some Scrolls you wanna use from your already-prepared-spells but you can't use it.
Sure we can just homerule it as we always have been doing, but it's still a pity for me that this bug is still alive in 5e2024. I'm hoping we'll be able to see new erratas to fix this.
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